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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 06:45 PM Original message |
what do we, as individuals and as society, owe those less fortunate? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. I think the principle thing is access and opportunity. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. fair enough and well said. |
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motocicleta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
50. I agree, and to do so means taxation |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. And I, in return, agree. Fair (progressive) taxation is called for. |
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TerdlowSmedley (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. We owe those less fortunate as much as we can afford to give |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. define "afford to" |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. That's what I wondered about that post too. |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
4. To facilitate their pursuit of Happiness and Safety. Not entitlement.. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. what do you do about someone, as skygazer points out, |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
42. The daily struggle is just what I mean. |
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Cobalt Violet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
5. guaranteed minimum income |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. but who is "suited" and who not? |
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Cobalt Violet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 10:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
59. It would be for everyone regardless of ability to work or not. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
7. Whatever they need. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. but who decides what that is? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. A better question is who decides what they don't need. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Here's a specific: the average Family Practice Physician salary is $142k. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Unless that physician's education was financed completely without any public money, |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. And at that income level what do you think the highest possible tax level should be? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I don't work for the Census Bureau or the GAO. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I think the specifics are worth looking at. It's easy to say people should give |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. I agree with that. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I don't think capitalism can define that, but I don't think that's what economic systems |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. There is no hypothetical threshold. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
43. A couple things you should know |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. I don't think entertainers warrant such salaries, though their talent is much rarer than a physician... |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. You are wrong. |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
10. Good luck - real threads about poverty tend to drop like a rock |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I posted as description of Seattle's 10 year plan to end homelessness and, as |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. is the thread still live? |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Yes, I would be interested in reading it too |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Here you go. I'd love to hear what people think about it. |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Thanks - there are a couple of things that stand out to me |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I guess I'm curious about employment and |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. bingo! |
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tnlefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
47. I don't know what to do, so I read the threads and think. |
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hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
12. "There but for the grace of God, go I" |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. or have manipulated the meaning behind the phrase to mean: |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. yikes. |
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Raydawg1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
39. Man I can't stand organized religion |
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hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
44. Aw, man ... I'd have a really hard time with those folks ... |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:10 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. per the discussion described... "hoosier |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. I agree |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
52. It's a phrase I've used a few times ... |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
30. The relationship is with the totality |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
31. "Am I my brother's keeper?" |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. that is what I was trying to say |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-29-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #31 |
70. true enough. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
32. Ulysses, I am so struck by the abstract responses in this thread. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:43 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. it *is* a difficult issue |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
33. Infrastructure. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-29-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
64. how to make education more meaningful? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-29-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #64 |
77. Educate them the way they really learn. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
36. compassion |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
38. We, being we the country, owe everyone a place to live, food to eat |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
40. Everyone should have equal access to a post-secondary education |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
41. Whatever we can do to help them is what we owe. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
45. depends |
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kanrok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
54. It seems to me that if you ask the question: |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
55. It's about practicing what you preach |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-29-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #55 |
69. your take on Edwards' house may not be about poverty |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-29-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Labor exploitation causes poverty |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-29-07 07:38 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. and how is Edwards exploiting labor? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-29-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. The new material was all made in union shops? |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
57. Specifically: education, employment, food, clothing, shelter, safety & health care |
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bonito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
58. It's a good question |
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Egalitarian (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-28-07 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
60. If we really understand ourselves then |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-29-07 06:59 AM Response to Original message |
61. Fewer rich people... |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-29-07 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
62. This is a very |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-29-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Great post, H2O Man. |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-29-07 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
63. How can you solve poverty if a "middle" class exists? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-29-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. semantics. |
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Crandor (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-29-07 08:54 PM Response to Reply #63 |
75. If it is in fact true that a decent standard of living cannot be sustained (dubious) |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-29-07 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
65. nothing, really. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-29-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. nothing, check. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-29-07 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
73. We give 'em enough fish to get by on... |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-29-07 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
76. people have vocalized what is 'needed' pretty well, but there |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-30-07 06:22 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Halliburton and the rest of the 1% reaping at 300% !!! |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-30-07 06:34 AM Response to Original message |
79. A decent wage for their labor, with no huge tax breaks for business. |
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