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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 10:24 PM
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Poll question: Purely Hypothetical Question Time! Choose Between Strong And Weak Public Option!
Edited on Thu Oct-08-09 10:25 PM by BlooInBloo
DU wind-testing time!

a) Strong or "robust" public option, but with state opt-out clause.
b) Weak public option, but with everyone in - no holdouts.

If - purely hypothetically - those were the only two options, which would you go for?

There are rational, not-stupid arguments to be made either way. There are also irrational, stupid arguments to be made either way.

Again this question is PURELY HYPOTHETICAL (= I'm completely making shit up) - **IF** those were the only two options.



EDIT: Changed "welchers" to "holdouts".
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 10:35 PM
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1. Going with A but if the only people that can get the public option are the poor.....
what good will it do as far as driving down rates?

The only way the insurance companies will lower rates is the threat of losing there "Cadillac" customers.
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 08:34 AM
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13. The public option is one in the exchange,
In HR 3200, the exchange (which includes the public option as one plan) is open not only to "the poor" but may be offered by all employers to their employees about 4 years after it starts being offered to uninsured and micro-employers in 2013.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 10:42 PM
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2. How much weaker can it get? I choose "b". Refer to avatar.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 11:33 PM
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6. Understood.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 10:46 PM
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3. A
States don't opt out of Medicaid and for all the bluster from teabagger governors they took the stimulus money. So it's very very unlikely that any state will opt out, if it takes an opt provosion in order to start with a stonger public option so be it.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 10:58 PM
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4. What does "robust" public option mean?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 11:00 PM
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5. A lot of things, but the ability to negotiate at Medicare-Plus-x-percent is a key component.
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 08:34 AM
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14. Under HR 3200, the rates to providers are presumptively set
at Medicare rates initially. Medicare providers are automatically in, unless they opt out.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 07:32 AM
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7. Morning kick - moar sample plz!
And to all those who HATE Obama unanimously winning the Nobel Peace Prize:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 07:36 AM
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8. A
If a strong public option is offered, state legislatures will be forced to stay with the plan even if they don't like it. Can you imagine a state opting out of Medicare?
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 07:37 AM
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9. That's a tough choice - because if states opt out you can expect
much of the south and the west to opt out and a lot of people who need it not to get it.

Bryant
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 07:43 AM
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10. That is a "Morton's Fork." nt
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 07:50 AM
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12. "Scylla and Charybdis" is the phrase I typically use...
But I like learning a new one (to me) - thanks!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 07:46 AM
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11. Weak public option, but with everyone in - no holdouts.
The first choice is not tenable to Democrats who live in states that would opt out. That's at least 10-20 states, and that means a lot of congressional members from those states.

Because Texas would opt out, I doubt any Democrat from Texas in congress would vote for a public option that would not help their constituents.

I consider that first option utterly unpassable.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 08:39 AM
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15. a. if we do the opt out and repigs opt out for their state,
they'll get voted the fuck out of there for good in the following election cycle. people will see how well the other states are doing that opt in.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 08:44 AM
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16. I would like, once and for all, for Republicans to get what they vote for and pretend they want.
Edited on Fri Oct-09-09 08:45 AM by Brickbat
I'm not saying it's rational or fair. And yes, PEEPLE WULD DIEEEEE.

ETA: So, I picked a.
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