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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:32 AM
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Isn't ending 8 years of Republican rule accomplishment enough to justify a Nobel peace prize?
The Bush administration was the biggest threat to world peace in decades, and McCain would just have been more of the same.

The simple fact is that the world is a much, much safer place today because Obama is president instead of Bush. Thus, a strong case can be made that no other individual in the past year further advanced the cause of peace than Barack Obama.
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WonderGrunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:33 AM
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1. No, his efforts to globally cut nuclear stockpiles
Which dates back to his senatorial days, however, is enough.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:33 AM
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2. YUP, but around here you have to ask permnission
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:37 AM
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3. To tell the truth, I think the prize should go to all the people that voted for Obama.
:patriot:
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:41 AM
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5. I think that was exactly the message the Nobel committee was trying to send.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:40 AM
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4. I agree, and I want a piece of that!
Do you haven any idea what it's like to make hundreds of phone calls to Fort Wayne IN asking them to vote for Obama? We're talking red neck capital of the state. Yet, Indiana swung for the Democrat for Prez for the first time in decades.

Nobel Peace Prize Winner will now be a line on my resume.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:41 AM
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6. evidently so....
I'm sorry. All I see is that Obama has continued Bush's wars unnecessarily. That isn't peace-making. It just isn't.
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:44 AM
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9. Not exactly correct.
Obama is winding down our involvement in Iraq, and is trying to come up with a more effective strategy in Afghanistan so that we don't end up stuck there indefinitely.

McCain, on the other hand, would probably have bombed Iran by now, thereby triggering WW3.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:48 AM
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11. you're much more hopeful than I am....
It's all a matter of spin, isn't it? He's not continuing the war against Iraq, he's "winding it down." We're not mired in viet-ghanistan, we're "trying to come up with a more effective strategy." But U.S. troops are occupying and killing in both countries, illegally and immorally, just the same. Looks like war, quacks like war.
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:55 AM
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12. Obama has had less than nine months to turn things around,
and has has had a LOT on his plate other than the wars.

If, a couple of years from now, we're still in the same place with regard to Iraq and Afghanistan you would have a much stronger point.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:58 AM
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13. I don't buy the arguments that he has not had time to address the most pressing...
Edited on Fri Oct-09-09 09:58 AM by mike_c
...foreign policy issue on his plate. And as far as the Nobel is concerned, I'm happy for him-- I just think that actually accomplishing the objectives the prize lauds is as important as talking about accomplishing them. And as I said, it still quacks like illegal war.
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:02 AM
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14. It's just not that easy to end an war, even an 'illegal' one
I wonder what you would do if you were in Obama's shoes, and were briefed with the same information that he has . . .
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:08 AM
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16. I agree...
I think Obama is trying to end these wars in the most politically viable and responsible way. It is not easy. It will take some time. It cannot happen overnight. And he is dealing with the powerful military industrial complex and a militaristic Congress. If he could only snap his fingers and make it happen, that would be great. I think we have to continue to pressure him to stop the war and I believe it will happen.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:42 AM
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7. That's a great point!
It is a great accomplishment to overthrow the fascists.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:42 AM
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8. kick
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 09:46 AM
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10. The American Voters should have won it if that was the case.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:04 AM
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15. That would mean that any president succeeding bush would have deserved a NPP a priori.

Don't tell Hitler. Or Zombie Hitler. Whatever version you prefer.
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