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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:12 AM
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4 Teenage Skinheads Kill Mother and attacks 11 year old daughter
Edited on Fri Oct-09-09 11:21 AM by democracy1st
**Important note victims are white females**

Cops Try to Make Sense of Deadly Skinhead Machete Attack
Four New Hampshire Teenagers Are Accused of Murdering Woman, Injuring Daughter
By RUSSELL GOLDMAN and LINDSAY GOLDWERT
Oct. 8, 2009


A close-knit New Hampshire town is reeling from the grisly weekend attack on a woman and her young daughter allegedly by a band of teenage skinheads who hacked the mother to death with machetes and knives and left an 11-year-old girl severely injured and bleeding in the family's front yard.

Adding to the horror are the coldhearted remarks two of the alleged teens made online and in person shortly after the killing, indicating a nonchalance about the gruesome crime.

Police arrested four teenagers in connection with the home invasion-turned-bloodbath, charging that the suspects chose the home of Kim Cates, 42, simply because of its distance from any other homes in the rural town of Mont Vernon.

Prosecutors on Tuesday arraigned Christopher Gribble, 19, a devout Mormon scheduled to go on a church mission, and three younger suspects Steven Spader, 17, Quinn Glover, 17, and William Marks, 18, in connection with the robbery and killing.

Cates died from multiple injuries to the head, torso, left arm, and left leg, according to a statement from the New Hampshire attorney general. Her daughter, Jamie Cates, 11, who was slashed and tried to run for help, remains in the intensive care unit at Children's Hospital in Boston.

Gribble updated his Facebook page just hours after the attack, writing on Sunday: "had an awesome time with steve and autumn ! dexter is such a funny show!" "Dexter" is a drama on Showtime about a psychopathic serial killer who murders other criminals.


Authorities said they have to determine why the teens attacked Cates and her daughter.

"It seems that they picked the house at random. This is a rural and isolated location," Assistant Attorney General Peter Hinckley told ABCNews.com

Gribble and Spader were charged with first degree murder, attempted murder of a minor and conspiracy to commit first degree murder. Marks and Glover were charged with burglary, conspiracy to commit burglary, and armed robbery.

Mont Vernon is a small community of about 2,000 residents near the border of Massachusetts.

White said investigators were determining how the suspects, each from nearby towns, met each other but that it was "not unusual for kids from rural areas to meet at regional high schools and through other activities."

Authorities believe Spader, who dropped out of high school last year, led the gang and is responsible for slitting sixth-grader Jamie Cates' throat with a machete. They believe he and Gribble, a handyman at Mormon church who was preparing to go on a mission, hacked Kim Cates to death.

Gribble was in the ROTC. On his Facebook page he posted photos showing him in uniform and holding a "favorite knife."

Anything sharp really, but I love swords and knives," Gribble wrote on Facebook in February.

Friends of the teenagers were shocked that the boys who came from middle class families and participated in activities like school musicals and the Boy Scouts could conspire to commit such brutality.

However, those who knew the teens said they had each undergone a change in temperament in recent weeks going from friendly to darkly menacing.

On his own Facebook page, Gribble wrote: "Although everyone has a light and a dark side, mine are very extreme& If I like you (or at least don't dislike you) I'm the sweetest nicest person ever. But heaven help you if I truly lose it. It's not pretty."

Glover, the Boston Globe reported, was a singer who performed in coffee shops and in a school production of "Cabaret" and Marks was described as "insecure and angst-ridden."




http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-make-sense-deadly-skinhead-machete-attack/story?id=8778093
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:12 AM
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1. Psssst ... got a link?
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:13 AM
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2. ty
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:14 AM
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3. you know what, i kinda wish this poor women had gotton the drop on them
and filled them full of lead, one of the reasons why my wife carries and the 12 gauge sits by her on the porch...
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:38 AM
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16. And some here wonder why some of us choose to carry guns
To me it is like having smoke alarms, wearing a seat belt, not standing outside in a thunderstorm, etc. Random violence can occur.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 12:20 PM
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30. Especially those of us in rural areas.
Many people here don't understand that there is a criminal element that specifically targets those of us who live in more remote areas, because our isolation makes it easier for them to victimize us without interruption.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:46 AM
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21. It was 4am, she was sound asleep in bed.
I doubt it would matter what weapons were in the house in this case.

It's too bad these four pukes are still alive, though.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:49 AM
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23. Dog and alarm, I was sound asleep
in my apartment at 0 dark 30 years ago when the dog started barking. Someone was climbing in the front window. Between the dog, the flashlight and glock17 he said something like "i thought this was my place" and then backed out the way he came..

I did not see a weapon but in this state that act alone is justification to use deadly force.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 12:31 PM
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34. That may be the case
But if awakened without a weapon like a gun she and her daughter were defenseless. Even if she or daughter managed to call 911 these cretins still had time to kill & maim.

This is a reason I keep gun, flashlight, cell phone & four legged burglar alarm in bedroom

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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:16 AM
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4. Today they're skinheads; yesterday it was a devout Mormon
I wonder what these brutes will be tomorrow? Lock them away for a very long time. It would be nice if they could also be put to work at something that gave them a little less time to fixate on sharp knives and killing.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:18 AM
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6. Sounds like they're DANGEROUS
And that's all we need to know right now

Lock them up for life. Show them a few videos of Susan Atkins over the years. Remind them this will be their fate.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:23 AM
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7. Not only Mormon but ROTC... it's all in the headline writing, I guess
Horrific, horrific stuff....
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:30 AM
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11. Tomorrow they'll be college republicans.
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jeffbr Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:17 AM
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5. Hang the scumbags
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:27 AM
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8. Kill them- no good will ever come from them.
Quite simply, if there was ever a case in favor of the death penalty,
this is one.

BHN
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:30 AM
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10. Nah, let's throw these punks into general population and see how long it takes
Edited on Fri Oct-09-09 11:30 AM by DinahMoeHum
for them to be "adopted" as "wives". <hint hint>

:evilfrown:
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:32 AM
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13. Waste of tax dollars- putting them in prison.
They are taking up air and water and need to die before they have a chance to
reproduce.

BHN
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:21 PM
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42. Do you really, actually believe "criminality" is a genetic trait? nt
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:50 AM
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24. Make them listen to Michael Steele speeches.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:54 AM
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26. I hate seeing people advocate FOR rape. it's sick shit.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:07 PM
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36. Thank you. It's an indecent trend and unworthy of the site. nt
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:13 PM
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39. No. The death penalty has no place in a civilized society.
Your barbarism and blood lust are showing.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:17 PM
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41. I agree
This is what scares me is all it takes is a news article to ask for the death penalty. Plus two of defendants are minors and it's unconstitutional to execute minors. Certainly I'm not brave enough or have the energy to debate this issue in such a highly emotional invoking thread.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:33 PM
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43. I agree; in this case, rehabilitation is not possible
This was the work of violent, sadistic psychopaths. Everyone but the most blindly bleeding-heart recognizes that there is no cure for psychopathy, and psychopaths who act out in savage, brutal ways will NEVER stop. It is a fix for them, an urge that will never, ever go away. They are undeterred by law, the prospect of punishment, or even the fear of death. There is only one solution to the violent psychopath problem, and I have no morals qualms about it. Unlike "regular" criminals, psychopaths lack that which makes the rest of us human - empathy, sociability, the ability to love or care for others. They can't be "taught" these things.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:28 AM
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9. Agreed; the only suitable punishment is the loss of their own lives.
If they go around killing people for fun, anyone defending their right to live is as if they did the killing themselves.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:31 AM
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12. Exactly. They are monsters and if a society is to survive...
the monsters need to be taken to the woods and eliminated.

This story sickens me beyond words and I want them GONE from the species.

BHN
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:12 PM
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38. Sorry, no. Civilized societies don't do the death penalty.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:16 PM
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40. Civilized societies don't produce monsters like these young "men."
They eliminate them.
I say let the woman's family survivors have an hour alone with them.
I'd reckon there would be much left to discuss.
BHN
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:33 AM
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14. that's horrific. All it takes is one persuasive and evil person to recruit others.
usually it stems from one person's greater sociopathic impulses, then they recruit losers who need a hero. Why the fuck anyone would watch a show about a serial killer, is beyond me. I just don't get the fascination with all of the films, games, and shows, about murdering people. I thank god I never developed a taste for being entertained by seeing others hurt or killed.
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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:45 AM
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18. I don't get the violence fetish either...
Edited on Fri Oct-09-09 11:46 AM by whoneedstickets
..the Saw movie series, Horrorcore rap music, the Dexter series, even the CSI stuff -- I simply don't get our society's obsession with ultra-violence.

One hypothesis I have is that this a consequence of the suppression of normal sexuality in our neo-Victorian, prudish religious society? Sexuality is verboten but violence is glorified?
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 12:27 PM
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32. I might be wrong, but I think most of the horrific stuff is obsessed upon by kids who have
never had horrific experiences in their lives. They see these movies and shows and hear the music and think that it is so COOL. They have no fucking clue what it is in reality.

So, these jackasses decide to try to live out their fantasies and this is what results.

I have a nephew who is the world's biggest dweeb. He has physical and mental disabilities that keep him from doing most normal activities (he could do them but he is beyond lazy and a total slug) but he lives in a total fantasy world of video games and vampire movies and slasher movies and that heavy metal horror music. He wears t-shirts that have dripping skulls and the grim reaper on them. But he wouldn't survive two minutes in the world he thinks is so cool.

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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:34 AM
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15. This crime was beyond horrific. The sooner they're gone, the better.
Edited on Fri Oct-09-09 11:35 AM by TheCowsCameHome
Does NH have a death penalty?

If so, will they use it?

I hope so.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:44 AM
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17. democracy1st,
Please be aware that our posting rules limit reposting of copyrighted material to four paragraphs and a link.

Thanks so much,

cbayer
DU Moderator
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:46 AM
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19. Thank God nobody got shot
:argh:
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:46 AM
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20. Great reason to keep a gun and own a dog.
bark bark, bang bang. 00 buckshot tends to settle knife fights.

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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:48 AM
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22. Christopher Gribble, 19, a devout Mormon scheduled to go on a church mission...
Edited on Fri Oct-09-09 11:49 AM by tomm2thumbs

'devout' seems a bit off the page
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:53 AM
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25. Just a bit.....
Good lord, but what a horrible, horrible crime.

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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 12:24 PM
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31. Yeah, just a touch.
He's certainly not going on a mission now.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 11:58 AM
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27. That kid's going to meet some people with real "dark sides" pretty soon.
A clean cut 18 year old will be very popular in prison.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 12:09 PM
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28. Just hours after the crime, these fuckers tried to sell her stolen jewelry
at a store in the Pheasant Lane Mall.

There is no good reason to let these cold-blooded killers live to see another day.

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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 12:12 PM
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29. It seems we always feel so safe in this part of the world and
then some truly insane, senseless horror happens. It brought back memories of the Dartmouth professors who were murdered. What a tragedy for this family.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 12:30 PM
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33. Where's the "skinhead" connection?
There's a pic of the 4 teens with shaved heads, but nothing in the article mentioning ties to Aryan Nations (or any other white supremacist group). Nothing about "skinhead" clothing, tattoos, patches/insignia, books, music, leaflets, posters. And no mention of any racist comments posted on one of the teens FaceBook page. The linked article from "The Boston Channel" doesn't mention any skinhead connection... but the ABC news one does. What gives?
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:03 PM
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35. what the hell kind of darkness would make
4 people do something like this. It's not like they were kids, as far as I'm concerned they were young adults. May the punishment fit the crime. May it be swift.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:10 PM
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37. It is unbelievable... isn't it? So very similar to the Abeer rape and murder...
by that gang of thugs in our military.
I hope they all burn in hell.
What has become of our society that we produce such monsters?

BHN
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