What an insult to the rest of the world.

Tell me again how it is that a man who presides over the biggest military budget in the history of history deserves this award.

Tell me again how it is that a man who is continuing aggressive occupation in Iraq and accelerating aggressive intervention in Af/Pak deserves this award. Not to mention US Ops in Africa.

Tell me again how it is that a man who is perpetuating the aggressive language of the phony "war on terror" deserves this award.

Tell me again how it is that a man who presides over a trillion dollar bailout of the wealthiest of the wealthy while finding it "politically unfeasible" to advocate for single-payer health-care which would bring great piece to his purported constituents deserves this award?

Even those who are entranced and idolatrous at the altar of Obama must have a difficult time fathoming this though perhaps not as we keep in mind that Nobel invented dynamite.

I'd like to know just how many cheerleaders there are on DU.

thanks, I almost left this thread without it's well deserved unrec.

Thanks

n/t

Now go piss up a rope.

What a shame. n/t

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:shrug:

RL

It's one thing to wish that Obama would pick up the pace with regard to getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan. It's another thing altogether to call him a war-monger. That's the party line over at Fox News.

i don't see where the OP did that.

Do you?

RL

But if you can't catch the inference in what he posted, you either have a learning disability or you're being purposely obtuse. And the accusation has been all over DU during the past 48 hours, and frankly, I'm a little sick of it.

Supposedly, these are people who voted for Obama (and if they didn't, fuck 'em all). So the guy you voted for to be the next President wins the Nobel Peace Prize, and you're bitching and moaning about not liking his foreign policy. A foreign policy which is, pretty much, exactly what he said he was going to do.

I'm gonna say, "No fucking way!" :rofl: <- at you

This is just DU. You post. I post. It's all the same.

And anyone who throws the "cheerleader" label around is not to be taken seriously as wanting to have an actual productive dialogue.

Give me a "U"
Give me an "N"
Give me an "R"
Give me an "E"
Give me a "C"

What's it spell?

Say it again!

UNREC!

WAYYYYYYYY BACK!

;-)

are people cheering on the Democratic president on DEMOCRTATICunderground. Yeah, I bet this place is crawling with Democrats!

You're on to them.

Sid

Rah rah mutherfuckin rah!

Do I get a prize?

Keep hoping for overnight utopia, dimmie.

So there's that.

of false hope in the land where "choices" means 37 flavors of the same-sugared cereal.

Here let me post this to save someone else some time.

http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/10/09/2093914.aspx

many here hae seemingly forgotten about them and what they are going through today, yesterday and probably for a long time to come. But "hooray" for Obama!! sigh..

and we're just doing "God's work".

And a new generation of terrorists is born...

nwmhtt

Rush, don't you have a show to do?

And Carter, while in office, rattled a whole bunch of sabers.

The point, in case you missed it, was that while the President of the US will, for the foreseeable future, inherit and oversee a huge military machine, it is how it is used that counts.

The 180 turnaround from the Bush years of petulant wars and bullying is, to the Nobel committee, worth recognition.

Don't you already know?

This is utterly surreal.

Afghanistan is a bit more of a tar baby, but there too they're looking for an end game strategy. They're not just dropping stakes and choppering the hell out of there like some would fantasize is possible, but on the whole he's capably mastering the American empire as well as can be done. Remember that he was elected on a platform of running the empire better, not ending our overseas leadership role.

Anyone who thinks Obama promised to change America away from being the world's leading superpower just wasn't paying attention to what the man actually said in the election. To them, as to all knuckleheads who voted for Bush and then complained about him ruining the whole shebang, I can only say "caveat emptor."

with the catch that Obama did nothing to clarify his positions during the election cycle and while many of us paid close attention and knew in detail of his pro-war Senate record it is hard to blame those who were fooled when Obama and his campaign team did all they could to at least cloud if not promote the idea that he was a "man of peace."

Thanks. Teddy's policy in the Philippines was pretty atrocious, tho it was a problem he inherited. Wilson's ideas about the League weren't really all that bad, if he'd only had the political skills to see it through the Senate, but his record in Latin America was just as appalling as any other president before FDR's Good Neighbor Policy.

why I'm telling you, I don't know, I'm ill.

Except he is the most admired person in the world...so I don't think the rest of the world agrees with your view. Plenty of Republicans apparently do, though. In fact, the non-USA world is breathing a collective sigh of relief after 8 years of having Dimson and the War Profiteer with their track record and fingers on the nuke trigger. This is a message, no doubt. It's giving Obama the prestige to champion a more peaceful world.

and never even considered him in the running.

:sarcasm:

So this post is really pointless.

Unless Dennis would have ordered an immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan...which I actually wouldn't have put past him.

I wish you would shut up.

be submitted. Does he really think he's the equal of Martin Luther King? Ridiculous and totally premature.

And you're nothing but a Democratic President-hating loon.

here, here, here and here.

Let go of bitter for a day.

Tell me what a person can do in ELEVEN FUCKING DAYS that deserves nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize.

The nominations closed on Feb. 1 and from what I read they opened nominations in Oct. 2008. I have yet to see anything saying when specifically he was nominated. He may have been nominated on election day - or before.
There were 205 nominees submitted, the list was winnowed down after Feb. 1 and it was then discussed and debated for another 8 months during which his actions were judged.

And he was quite humble in his acknowledgement of the recognition, if you didn't watch it.

and it's a very closed process. Lobbying them does little good.

This award is really for the American people for voting those greedy, warmongering neocons out on their corporate arses.

It's odd that the classiest response came from Pawlenty (R-usually worthless): the only proper response for this is "congratulations."

Obama said it best himself this morning, that the award wasn't for his accomplishments but for hope in his future.

because from your post, you are very obviously talking out of your ass.

I'm not sure what to think about this whole thing. But I *do* know that Obama didn't "submit himself". Even the most hateful RWers aren't trying to argue that.

Racism? Nah, couldn't be, not at DU... :eyes:

thing premature is your running off at the mouth without knowing what the fuck you're talking about.

He doesn't submit his own name. You're hatred for the man isn't healthy. You're just another in a long line of folks at DU who prove daily they never listened to anything the man said for 19 months on the campaign trail.

sanity tests should be passed to post on the internet

Have you not noticed the reaction of the world?

:dunce:

admiring one's own countenance in the mirror.

for our Pres. Not all that hard to find, actually.:)

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1929393,00.html

I'm really surprised at what has happened to DU since Obama took over running the wars. They suddenly became good wars. Memories are pretty short around here these days-- just nine months ago it was hard to find anyone around here who supported neocon militarism. Now it's the latest DU love affair.

that he was going to be as cautious and careful in getting us OUT of "bush's wars" as we were reckless and quick getting in?

I despise war- I was against ANY military or economic sanctions against anyone in the wake of 9/11 Here on DU and in my offline life. I vigiled and marched against both the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq- Violence will never do away with violence. But I cannot hold President Obama solely accountable for the situation that we are facing in the continuing work of exiting Iraq, or minimize the difficulty of how to best to end our presence in Afghanistan.

It's easy to blame everything on the person in the white house. But in reality- bush could never have done what he did, without the consent of those who actually carried out his wishes. That includes you and me- how many of us who disagreed with the plan to wage wars put our physical bodies in the way, or were willing to risk our everything? Pres. Obama has put his very life, and that of his wife and children on the line- and in the cross-hairs.

It's easy to postulate and pontificate from the safety of our little internet cocoons.
It's easy to run the world from the perspective we sit at.

We are woefully ignorant of exactly how difficult getting OUT of war really is.

It seems to me people have become experts at pointing fingers at everyone else and not owning our personal responsibility in the shit this world is drowning in.

:shrug:

and that is sad.

Peace is not simply the absence of war- it is much more than that.

Your very post works against the spirit of peace. You can disagree, and bring your legitimate perspective to light without sowing the seeds of discord and division. Real change usually doesn't come quickly or without personal sacrifice.

What are you sacrificing for the cause of Peace? How is your language not aggressive?

:shrug:

Tell it to the children in Afghanistan.

Your piety aside the road you are on is a dead end. There is no compromising when it comes to imperialism. Obama is now and has always been on board with the American Imperial project.

Anyone who has studied his political career understands this. Do you?

much for the children in Afghanistan OG.

Study his political career all you like- write all the shit you want to on message boards- what are YOU doing with your life to truly advance the cause of peace? What personal sacrifices have YOU made- ? I'm truly interested. Some people actually put their lives where their ideals are, are you one of them? I hope so.

I'm listening.

Perhaps one day we can discuss this. But ultimately this is not about personalities though it seems lately all people can get to is focusing on individualism and false heroes.

The shit you speak about is the propaganda that those who avoid the political record and instead opt for the ignorance of the politics of personality espouse ad nauseum as is seen all over this thread.

This is all just quite shameful.

Welcome to ignore. Bye! :hi:

prove him to be nothing more than an envious asshole.

congratulations on a new low.

Obama has changed the tone America uses to speak to the world generally and the Muslim world specifically. His speech in Cairo, his first-week interview on al-Arabiya, and the extraordinarily conciliatory holiday video he sent to Iran are all substantial illustrations of that. His willingness to sit down and negotiate with Iran -- rather than threaten and berate them -- has already produced tangible results. He has at least preliminarily broken from Bush's full-scale subservience to Israel and has applied steadfast pressure on the Israelis to cease settlement activities, even though it's subjected him to the sorts of domestic political risks and vicious smears that have made prior Presidents afraid to do so. His decision to use his first full day in office to issue Executive Orders to close Guantanamo, ostensibly ban torture, and bar CIA black sites was an important symbol offered to the world (even though it's been followed by actions that make those commitments little more than empty symbols). He refused to reflexively support the right-wing, civil-liberty-crushing coup leaders in Honduras merely because they were "pro-American" and "anti-Chavez," thus siding with the vast bulk of Latin America's governments -- a move George Bush, or John McCain, never would have made. And as a result of all of that, the U.S. -- in a worldwide survey released just this week -- rose from seventh to first on the list of "most admired countries."

At least, even if you disagree with him you need to admit it's a good thing that our image across the waters and around the world are changing. But alas...

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then to look at the realities of "peace".

all over it:

Beck: Obama should turn down the Nobel and give it ‘to the Tea Party goers and the 9-12 Project.’

show here is sickening enough.

:hi:

and I don't think you ever will. Ths isn't about those idiots. It's about the people in Greenwald's article. Those kids laid up in hospitals because of OUR bombs - those that our peace loving nation and president allowed to drop. Yeah - a real "proud moment".

He pisses and moans!

to complain about anything I write.

:rofl:

he is in the process of ending one war (which you and others prefer to ignore) and trying to decide the next steps in another.

Or, do you consider doing so NOT an act of war?

Speaking of "spin".

if we were to pull out now, you are okay with al qaeda taking afghanistan back over?

It's really a simple question. I honestly want to know what you think?

And, I doubt that Al-queda would take over again. In fact, I think there's a helluva lot more danger of strengthening Al-Queda by staying and killing more people in Afghanistan and Pakistan than there would be if we acknowledged that we lost (again) and get the hell out of the entire region.

right. LOL have fun with that one.

Oh wait, i have something for you, ahh here it is, a bridge, it's for sale really cheap, want it?

man, do a little research.

Here's a great book, "Pakistan: in the shadow of Afghanistan and Al Qaeda". It will help you understand things a little better.

But the long and short of it, we created a monster with funding and arming the Mujahideen. after the soviets left, we dropped them like a bad habit. They got pissed, grew, became well funded (which they still are) and established a cross border system of control between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Just because the are partially gone from Afghanistan, doesn't mean by any stretch of the imagination that they are ever gone for good. We leave, there becomes a massive vacuum. Karzi is nothing more than the mayor of Kabul. We leave he basically vanishes. He has no power what so ever. Hell, even his brother in law is well known for his deals with the warlords (which control 80% of of the territory). And the warlords allegiances are like shifting sands at best. The deal with whom ever gives them the best price.

So in summation, we leave, Al Qaeda takes back over.

That's the reality. That's not made up. Those are hard facts.

If Afghanistan falls, Al Queda will take over, then Pakistan, then India, then Rhode Island.

Or, maybe we could send in more troops and cut their supply lines by destroying the Ho Chi Minh trail, and build fortified villages...and then....send in more troops..maybe to Honduras to stop the terrible tide.

Oh, right. Killing for peace is now fashionable as long as our guys are in charge of the killing.

"Usually, terrible things that are done with the excuse that progress requires them are not really progress at all, but just terrible things." Russell Baker

There are no domino's to fall you fool, these people live there.

The commies in southeast asia didn't.

man talk about strawman.

have you even been paying attention for the last 8 fucking years?

Yeah, I want out of the war too, but damn it, if you pull them out right now, with out some sort of structure to help the women and children they will, I can totally assure you as the day is long, they will suffer unspeakable things once again.

You really aren't capable of critical thought are you?

you know what, I can see that no matter what I say to help you understand what is actually going on over there, either means nothing to you or you are unable to comprehend it.

so reply if you will I'm just nothing to to bother anymore.

You are now blocked for your willful ignorance to the larger picture.

tootles.

I don't think we will ever fix those people until they fix themselves. As long as they allow Muslim fundamentalists to bully them into submission, not one thing we do to "help" will make any progress.

Early in the Iraqi war, a Marine commander came back after his first tour of duty and spoke at my son's Scout meeting. This man left his own five children at home to go serve. He had been a Marine for 18 years. After his presentation of pictures of Marine life in Iraq, the photos "progressed" to pictures of Iraqis killing EACH OTHER--burning each other alive, blowing up their own people's vehicles and other assorted atrocities, all of which caused the Republican parents in the room to stand up and shout at the Marine, "Turn it off! Turn it off!--I called the commander aside to speak to him. He spoke softly and sincerely. During one point in our discussion, he said, "Saddam at least kept them from killing each other. These people are tribal. They understand that the toughest dude on the block runs things. If that structure is disturbed, it will result in chaos until the new leader emerges."

How does America fix that?

does rule over Afghanistan outside Kabul.

All we've "accomplished" in the last nine months is to produce many more future terrorists/freedom fighters that you will advocate killing.

oh so all the problems over there now had nothing to do with the last 8 years?

LOL wow, just incredible.

try doing a little reading, the "taliban" as we have been told supposedly control 80% of the nation. Buzzz, wrong. Warlords, who's only affiliation to the taliban loose at best.

The taliban controls basically nothing. They are a loosely cobbled together from remnants of what they once were, it's the warlords that are currently aligning themselves with the taliban to maintain control over their area's and supplying the taliban to do their dirty work.

I have several friends over there and they tell me some truly amazing things that are going down.

The average american hasn't the smallest clue as to what is happening over there.

Why honestly do you think that the focus has switched to al qaeda only?

Because anyone can see that with the small amount of troops we have over there, there is no way in hell we can beat the warlords and their taliban helpers. Just not going to happen.

The best thing is to go solely for al qaeda. Squash that bug and leave. Frankly, though, since pakistan have been basically looking the other way on many many things concerning al qaeda, it will become very interesting from this point on.

Until Pakistan allows US troops to conduct operations in the northern areas of Pakistan, this is going to be nothing more than a fools errand.

We drive al qaeda out of afghanistan then we leave, they will come back and fill the void we leave.

Now what is my solution? I have none, moron* set up this mess for massive failure then did nothing for the past 8 years.

Now Obama as a massive problem on his hand with no easy way out.

the hunt for OBL shoulda, coulda, woulda been a short "war" but moron* wanted to go into Iraq. That ended the opportunity for a limited war and a fast exit.

We are there. It sucks. I want out, but never the less we are there and we are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.

The discussion centered around Obama and his pathetic submission to the people that brought all this about in the first place.

Roughly 60% of the population did not vote for "more of the same", but that's what we're being fed and far too many are now demanding that we eat it and like it because the current corporatist-in-chief has a 'D' after his name.

All he's done in Iraq so far is secure oil company's looted "assets".

Nope, not even close.

Call it bullshit all you want, the facts are the facts.

Babies conceived during the inauguration are being born now.

With 50,000 to 100,000 troops remaining in Iraq for purposes of 'training, anti-terrorism and security' I wouldn't call that 'out of Iraq', I'd call that a continuing occupation.

I'd bet you'd buy the bridge if Obama sold it to ya.

I hadn't seen that.

snip...




On CNN, someone commented that they don't award Academy Awards while they're still filming the movie. I thought it was a good analogy.

puts him a position not to escalate the Afghan war. the iraq war is "winding down" and we`ll be out by the end of next year.
he tore up the bush doctrine and now he has to do the same with the carter/reagen doctrine.

Tell the middle and upper classes what they want to hear. Paint a pretty picture.

But the nasty underbelly can't be hidden forever. Too bad the price of middle class ignorance and bliss is paid by those in the lower classes around the world with no voice.

It's all about class.

not so much bliss anymore. But the top 5% continues to eat cake.

If he were seriously pulling out of Iraq & Afghanistan right now I would offer up the dancing bananas. Just talking about it is not enough.

Pick-ups are notoriously light on the rear wheels and the PIT maneuver could have been used a brazilian times by now.

Take Him Out. NOW!!!

:patriot:

I cannot believe postings like this.

We have a President (finally!) who is committed to peace, prosperity, gender equality, justice, and love, and who is not part of a corrupt, illegal, and immoral regime of cronies and thugs, and he is attacked for winning the Nobel Peace Prize??!!

President Obama deserves the Nobel Peace Prize simply for reversing the 8-year-long nightmare we made the world endure.

Why is he bombing Afghanistan?

Why the increase in US activity in Africa?

Why is he presiding over an increase in military budget of the most bloated military in history?

Why has his record been pro-war every step of the way when he was in the Senate?

What are you smoking?

I deeply resent your implication that I am a smoker!

I do not smoke! It is a filthy and digusting habit.

(It is perhaps President Obama's ONLY shortcoming -- I do wish he would stop, but I understand the pressures of his office.)

;-)

or not.

Maybe we should change it to the Oppenheimer Peace Award to keep up with the times?

ETA: Tecnically Oppenheimer's invention has probably killed considerably less than Nobel's

& for those who compare this to the wilson & carter awards, wilson won for the league of nations, carter in 2002 (!) after brokering an israel/egypt accord & years of diplomacy. they had some actual policy achievement.

several Latin American countries.

Ignorance is bliss in the land of WSWS.

nt

United States was already advocating for invading one country and secretly planning to invade another.

This President is currently reducing troop levels in Iraq (no, not as quickly as I hoped for, but reducing them) and he has put the brakes on the screaming, pedal-to-the-metal Military-Industrial-Congressional-Corporate complex's attempt to force him to ramp up operations in Vietghanistan. We don't yet know how that will turn out, but I'm betting that this Nobel Peace Prize will give him even more pause in doing the bidding of the Hawks without trying to come up with a better approach.

I see this as the Nobel Committee using their BULLY PULPIT to influence future decisions by the President and to reward his not-insubstantial efforts to reinstate diplomacy as our first line of engagement.

Now I'm hoping that President Obama will use his BULLY PULPIT to explain how the United States must disengage militarily from the Middle East.

I think this was a good decision that will positively affect the United States and the world.

Surely there is a Green Party website somewhere where you an commiserate with like minded people and stop wasting your time with the entranced and idolatrous over here.

This is one of the posters that cites to World Socialist Web Site a Trotskyite Party that hates Democrats, Socialists, Communists, Labour, the AFL-CIO Greens, Democratic Socialists, Social Democrats and every other left party as "sell outs" and "criminal conspiracies" against the working class.

Mebbe it was for Irony, or mebbe we should award the Prize Committee that one.

k&r

A bit like saying, "You're not George W Bush - Congratulations, have a prize!"

That deserves a peace prize.

Unrec from me.

That's like saying 'IF' George Bush had worked as hard for nuclear disarmament that he too would be equally deserving of the peace prize irregardless of his actions toward Iraq and Afghanistan.

n/t

Obama-Lugar passed in 2007 was the first of many actual steps taken by Obama towards disarmament.

Irregardless isn't a real word.

And irregardless of your point about how dimwitted Bush is, Obama's actions in Afghanistan as well as the hiring of Blackwater at the very least negates anything he's done with respect to nuclear disarmament with respect to be awarded a "PEACE" prize. Allow me to give an illustration as an example. Al Capone use to fund soup lines. Does that fact make him worthy of an upstanding citizen award irregardless of his other actions?

:shrug:

Children would still die.

BTW, your link for irregardless agrees with me.

Why don't you guys fucking get that?

The FAIL is strong with this OP.

n/t

You're a myopic cynic, and you have emotional issues you need to work out.


Seek help.

How right wing of you. n/t

as much as I am against the war, I'm really again nuclear weapons, but since you can only focus on one issue at a time, I guess nuclear weapons don't matter much to you.

:eyes:

Like I said in another post. Obama's actions in Afghanistan, as well as, the hiring of Blackwater at the very least negates anything he's done with respect to nuclear disarmament with respect to be awarded a "PEACE" prize.

Allow me to give an illustration as an example. Al Capone use to fund soup lines. Does that fact make him worthy of an upstanding citizen award irregardless of his other actions? I think not.

n/t

Now that I know that I'm talking to a nut, I'm not even going to dignify you with a reply to your post.

Wow, just wow.

You don't mind dropping bombs on people because they're not the only ones in the world, and, you have problem with feeding hungry people. Are you sure you're not a republican?

Wow, just wow.

man, keep digging.

That is some massively failed logic.

Are you now going to weave me a tale about the virtues of the mafia, as well?

Holy shit.

Because of your tribalism obsession.

You're such a phony, a.k.a. poser democrat.

n/t

Show me where I said, "I don't have a problem with dropping bombs on people"?

you can't because you enjoy putting words in peoples mouth. That's what you think winning an argument means.

However, I can point squarely were you compare Obama to Al Capone. And call me a repuke because I don't approve of Al Capone's business acumen.

well, since you have failed so often on logic, basic insight, or have shown reasonable intelligence, and enjoy employing strawman type reasoning, I'm going to block you.

I've played way to long with you. You may take your bizarre ball home now.

tootles.

Obama is saving 6 billion lives?

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'Obama is crap' posters! Gosh, I am so 'shocked' at your and those of your ilk taking great umbrage at this "insult to the rest of the world", ummm, not really. "...insult to the rest of the world", reaching much!

This thread is hilarious, thanks for the laugh and for providing a thread for all the anti-Obama posters to gather, I am sure they appreciate it!

:rofl:

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Simply Unbelievable. :wow:


:cry:

Its sad that we have some folks here who are no different with respect to their tribalism obsession than those we see over at freeperville.


:-(

He said "What the hell for-that's a joke, we're still at war."

My husband has been a fairly strong supporter of Obama.

Which tells me that my reaction isn't wrong-not by a long shot.

evidently, it is.

that gave the award.

Take it up with the committee instead of half ass pretending the White House finagled this recognition.

Not to mention the wildly out of context accusations.

If Dennis Kucinich was President then he too would preside over the largest military budget in history because too much of it was already in motion.

There is no way we'd be out of Iraq at this time no matter what and though we may utterly disagree with the assessment some may make a rational case that martial intervention at times secures a wider peace.

Many that have received this award ( http://nobelprizes.com/nobel/peace/peace.html ) that have been a lot deeper down the rabbit hole of initiating and participating in some bad things.

The bailouts, political reality in this country, and the peace award just plain don't make sense as a question here. Are you saying it is politically feasible to pass single payer out of Congress or that the bailouts are why it is plausible, or something else? I don't see how this works in context.

I'll let the final stab just pass as it should be ignored.

I gotta go unrec here.

you're outrage just couldn't be contained to just a reply to another post, huh?

meh, this post is just as lame as your reply.

Try thinking it over next time. Sometimes, making a reply into it's own post, really isn't a good idea.

That said, you got my unrec.

But you express foolish sentiments.

And those who awarded it to him should be ashamed.

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If you did, you'd remember that I was opposed to the nomination of EITHER of the two centrist/corporatist/3rd way/"new" dems that were on the ballot after January of '08, and that I hoped for a brokered convention that would give us a decent candidate that was NEITHER of those 2.

I'd be saying the exact same thing if HRC were getting the award.

If you want to bring up my record, I'll gladly stand on it. Try to be somewhere in the ballpark of accuracy, though, when you do.

Edited to add a link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=260x3484

Some of these posts are worthy of free republic. Why don't you go sulk and bitch about this award with those fuckers? You'd fit right in!

You keep telling yourself this.

Anti-democratic garbage.

Unrec'd.

You have no idea about the history of the award.

And this would be another example.

The POTUS is necessarily CIC of the biggest war machine on the Planet.

Bush-lite.

Michael Moore and more facts.

This is supposed to be a prize that rewards concrete behavior, concrete action. And there are many people out there in the world who were under consideration for this prize, who every day perform acts that are taken at enormous risk for concrete benefit. I mean, I think that one of the people—one of the names under consideration this year was Dr. Mukwege in the Congo, in the DRC. This is somebody who is under personal threat because he is saving the lives of women every day who have been violently raped. And giving the prize to Dr. Mukwege—and I’m just giving one example—would have been such a concrete victory and encouragement for that action. It would have put pressure on the United States to take action, on the international community to take action, for the women of the Congo. And instead of that, we have this very, very political decision, and in many ways it’s like a pat on the head for good behavior or the hope of good behavior, because actually we’ve seen a lot of bad behavior. And we can come back to this.

But what I’m working on right now is a piece for Rolling Stone about the climate negotiations leading up to Copenhagen. And one of the things that the Obama administration is being rewarded for with this prize or what Barack Obama is personally being rewarded for in this prize is his supposed breakthroughs on international relations. What we’re actually seeing, as we speak, in Bangkok—this is the final day of two weeks of climate negotiations—has been extraordinarily destructive behavior on the part of the United States government, on the part of the Obama administration, absolutely derailing the climate negotiations in the lead-up to Copenhagen. Developing countries are absolutely shocked by what US climate negotiators have done. They have gone into these talks saying, you know, “We’re back. We want to reengage with the world.” What they’ve actually done is made a series of demands that would destroy the Kyoto Protocol and the binding emission architecture that was set up under Kyoto. So, to reward the Nobel Prize in the context of destroying the climate, where the US is destroying the climate negotiations, or threatening to, to me, is just shocking.

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And the Obama administration wasted absolutely no time in selling out Judge Richard Goldstone with no basis of fact whatsoever. The report was extremely balanced. The Obama administration could have stepped back and allowed it to work its way through the UN system, really kind of hid behind the UN on this one. Here you have a judge with an extraordinary international reputation for his belief in international law and his commitment to the reality of the—of “never again,” whether in the context of Rwanda or the former Yugoslavia. And this is somebody who’s really, really been committed to that idea. And the US has allowed his reputation to be destroyed, and contributed to it in many ways. So this is a moment where Palestinians more and more are saying, “OK, you raised our hopes, and now you’re dashing them.”

And then, in the middle of all this, the Nobel Prize Committee awards their top honors to Obama. And I think it’s quite insulting. I don’t know what kind of political game they’re playing, but I don’t think that the committee has ever been as political as this or as delusional as this, frankly.

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http://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/9/as_us_continues_afghan_iraq_occupations

NAOMI KLEIN:
And now is the moment when we’re seeing his actual commitment to change. And it has been one disappointment after the next.

even the notorious warmongers Cheney-Bush didn't bomb the moon!

Or is it David Green? I forget what alias he hides his millions under.


Anyway, you seem cranky. Or is it, you're a crank? I forget which, probably both.

I read from a former cult member that David North/Green has bloggers working like slaves night and day to trash every non-SEP/WSWS progressive political faction or union.

False indictment followed by war mongering - WOO HOO!

and it's no secret really, Obama was elected because people want peace, and he was given this prise because the world wants peace.

I really hope he puts a lot of meditation into that concept: peace.

and I hope the result is for the good in the end.

But I will say that most of their posts here are just as naive, rude, childish and unproductive.

I feel no need to defend Obama to you. He inherited the absolute worst America in our history. He is fixing it at a fairly reasonable pace. That he would win the prize at this time is premature and diminishes the honor of it. It is not his fault that he won it. I question the wisdom of those who bestow it upon him. Obama was humble, and I see that as very positive compared to the arrogance we have suffered for the previous eight years.

I'm sure your flame suit is doing just fine. I'm wearing new one. In Code Pink, of course. ;)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6733124

the troops who want to come home from afghanistan dont give a rats ass about a peace prize.

But they gave it to Kissinger so I am not sure it really means what it is supposed to mean. Obama himself said he isn't sure he really deserves it. I prefer to think of it as a thank you for not being Bush or McCain.

I feel like I'm voting for Kucinich all over again. :)

A voice of reason among the hypnotised!

wish I could rec again

:applause:

Unrecommended!

:toast:

Now we know the anti-Obama DUers don't even have the minimal amount of class that some republicans have.