Southern Baptist leader says Obama trying to replicate Nazi policies.

I was thinking today about how happy Democratic forums are about the new option that suddenly appeared on the horizon the last two days involving health care. Everyone loves it apparently. It would allow states to opt out of any public option that might become part of the plan.

Even Democrats who have so far stood for real reform are touting the praises of the opt-out plan. I don't know why, but it makes me feel very funny.

Even though we have a good majority, we are giving in to the right wing ideologues. And we seem happy about it, about the fact that states might be able to deprive the people of good health care reform. Applauding an obviously political move aimed at conciliation with the far right. Just enough to humor the "left", but a tip of the hat to the religious far right.

This is an example of the people we are dealing with, especially in the South. They will never be shamed into NOT opting out. They don't care about the people. They only care about their ideology.

From The Florida Baptist Witness, the voice of Florida's legislative leaders...many post there. Here are the words of one of the biggest Southern Baptist leaders, Reverend Richard Land.

Healthcare reform rationing ‘precisely what the Nazis did,’ Land says


Photo by James A. Smith Sr. GOD AND COUNTRY Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, speaks Sept. 26 in Orlando at the 20th anniversary “God and Country Banquet” of the Christian Coalition of Florida.

This is from a speech in late September in Florida.



As the power shifted to the Democratic party this year, the influence of the religious right shifted with it. Part of that was our doing. Part is their power with the media, part is their behind the scenes organizational power...which we tend to ignore.

Their power within our party shows itself in various ways.



Media like The Florida Baptist Witness are being used to work against health care reform. Even Chuck Colson uses that site to attack health care reform.

Yet our party which has the majority in both houses of Congress and the White House is all excited over allowing states under the sway and power of legislatures who subscribe to thinking like this....a way to opt out of needed health care for its people.

This is political speech barely masquerading as 'religion'.

had its tax exempt status yanked. So, they can say whatever they want.

:P

"Tax the churches. Tax the businesses owned by the churches"

-Frank Zappa (YCDTOSA, Vol. 1)

I grew up as part of that church, my family did as well. They were leaders of the church. I criticize because I know their agenda, and it is not very Christlike at times.

I became Methodist in college largely because of Southern Baptists' attitude toward women.

The 12 step program should be dance moves, just to piss them off.

I don't think that the very nice, moderate Christians I know understand the hatred spread through the SBC. It has never been about a loving god. It has always been fueled by hatred, ignorance and power.
I think many Southern Baptists want the fire breathing god of the old testament, not the concept of an empathetic Christ-figure.
*sigh* :crazy:

Personally I'm glad I lost the church and found scientific rationality. Thank god I'm an atheist. *irony fully intended*

now but he isn't running again. Zack Wamp the ever loving The Family member is going to run. I have a feeling he will win. Sad to say living in the south I see all my calling to push for health care reform probably will not work for my family. I wrote the president and asked him not to leave the south out. There are a many who supported him and we really want the reform.

Bill McCollum is running against Alex Sink, the Democrat.

Here's Bill on the issues..a religious right dream

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Bill_McCollum.htm

So if he believes that, then presumably he believes that health insurance companies are like Nazis, right? Right?

I wish I had a way to directly respond to these assclowns and point out the problems in their logic.

By the way, what is "Health care reform rationing"? Are they rationing "health care reform"? Talk about awkward headlines... (Not your fault, that's the way the article is written.)

The Southern Baptists can only look at the repressive regimes in the Middle East with envy; if they had the power they would implement very similar theocratic principles (naturally under the correct theology).

If you are a white male the Southern Baptist church is a welcoming place. God help you if you aren't.

Disclaimer: I am a former Southern Baptist minister and graduate of a Southern Baptist seminary.

Men do hold the power in that church. Now it is different though. Since Mohler and those who adhere to his teachings came along, things changed. Not that long ago. My father, a deacon emeritus, who helped begin a new church....did not live to see the change over. He was an enlightened intelligent man, and it would have hurt him so much to see people like Mohler and Land.

I have a serious question here. In one of his novels Peter Gent has a character differentiate Baptists as "foot-washing Baptists" vs. "all-over Baptists". He failed to explain the terms and I'd like to know who is who in that description and where do the Southern Baptists fit?
Also I'd find confirmation of your thesis in Mike Hucksterbee's call for the constitution to be rewritten to be more in line with God's law.

Not sure, but likely.

I know you weren't addressing me, but that may answer one question.

Is Obama a far-left liberal or a Nazi? I can't keep it straight.

What an arrogant, caustc, hateful freakazoid. I bet he's got one of those scary mega-churches, too, and I wouldn't be surpised if he had some fascinating skeletons in his personal closet. The loudest shriekers usually do.

Because the nazis were, according to Jonah Goldberg, actually liberals.

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

only 6,000,000 victims.

Then again, what Hitler did retail, Stalin did wholesale, and Mao supersized the whole mess.

I wonder how long before W is considered liable for his role in the deaths of 1,000,000 Iraqis, and the displacement of 5,000,000 more.

Only WE are allowed to blindly hate! Nobody else!

:puke:

What kind of healthcare would Jesus want?



Christians like Land are so very proud of opposing what Jesus would most likely have approved.

The Christian Right is neither.

i have that bumpersticker on the back windshield of my vehicle. :hi:

is the worse thing they can do, because it's anything but a bogeyman now.

And they're hardly discriminating in choosing between options - or opting for non-options, for that matter. Any option will do, however crazy. Why, if accusing Obama and the Democrats of being far-left doesn't work any more ..... well then, accuse them of being far-right! You know it makes sense....

And the "Nazi" who signed it into law? Why, that'd be a former governor by the name of George W. Bush. :eyes:

Reality is that the insurance companies are practicing it already.

do that same thing every day.

it might work.....

tell him thats what the new conservative bible is going to say.

shit
he'll believe then....



i just noticed that he'll and hell are spelled really the same way.

But it all turned out OK in the end because the Red Army fucked those Nazi motherfuckers up GOOD!

to worry about.

I'm glad you posted this. It's going to Americans United for Separation of Church and State. They have lawyers who will present this to the IRS.

Can't believe I was the first rec after about twenty posts. Ummmm.

And since I criticized a possible Democratic policy that adds to it.

At least it ain't in the unrec column yet. :shrug:

Raised Southern Baptist and while I still consider myself a Christian that denomination went to far right a while ago I cannot force myself to listen to a sermon from one of these "preachers".

It is funny, on a local RW radio station they bemoan the fact that they do not see any younger folks in their churches and ask what can be done to combat this. I wrote them with and told them, "Younger folks have a more Progressive, enlightened view of the world. If you want them back in your churches, get out of bed with the racist, sexist, corporate apolegist Republican Party because younger folks see how full of hate they really are. If not, continue watching your congregations rot and die out".

Great article, I enjoyed it!!

Their views have become cold heartless and outdated.

Welcome to DU

supported slavery and lynching?

Fuck them.

Is that what our country has come to be like?

and I say this as a Pastors kid (UMC).

Most people here will be familiar with much of the information in Max Blumenthal's Republican Gommorrah. I did learn that one thing - that Chuck Colson got construction workers to attack students who protested in NYC after the murder of students at Kent State.

How much more evidence do we need that these people are enemies of the American people?:

Debbie Wasserman Schultz's opponent put her face on a target and shot at it.

I'm so sorry you have to be in Florida with all these jerk offs. Florida has really turned into the asshole of America, it seems.

But it does not surprise me.

...............a relatively small tax we could wipe out the deficit, provide college or equivalent to all our young, pay for Medicare for all and put a Mercedes in every garage. Half of these motherfuckers ought to be in jail for christ sake.

That is where Land was speaking so openly about Nazis.

Perhaps the Christian Coalition will rise again, with my state giving it power.

Social Conservatives Launch New Effort in Florida

matter one's political persuasion -- it is a tragedy of great personal degree when one's brain begins to succumb to neurofungus, an affliction which obviously has begun to claim Richard Land.

The actual gnawing on the brain stem by the neurofungus isn't acutely painful, mind you, but it gradually, then more rapidly, erodes the function of the brain, and soon, common decency, the capacity for truthfulness, ordinary social perception, and civic comportment -- well, suffice it to say they just all go down the toilet in a slow trickle.

It's painful to watch.

A neorofungus....very good point.

Yes, it is painful to watch.

:hi:

incoherent and hateful condemnations of others, slobbering and babbling...

I have to turn my head -- it's just too awful!

:hi:

Maybe the fact Obama has now been awarded one, will make Freepers to STFU about the Hitler Comparisons.
Then again, they are so stupid....

They surely do know how to take the joy out of anything.

I am so tired of their hate speech and mean-spirited rhetoric.

They don't believe in peace anyway, so why such a big fuss about someone getting a Peace Prize?

couple of day! :hi: Rec'd BTW.

I was also raised in a Southern Baptist church, but had soured on it as a teenager as I witnessed so many deacons, etc., doing all of the things that were screeched that we'd all burn in hell for. This strain is much worse than it was even waaay back then. I've been wondering for the past few years why they are projecting so much. Do they not have mirrors.

After I had googled the Southern Alliance and followed many links to disgusting places, I noticed that the Klan also displays the christian flag with the confederate flag, they want to return prayer to school (I don't even want to know what those prayers would consist of), and the hatred for gays mirrors some of the harshest rhetoric from some of the churches.

She called it BS.

and slinkerwink had some choice comments to make about it, too!

I was feeling like the lone ranger here. Slinker and Jane and nyceve have worked so hard and passionately on this issue.

Guess not.

Well then, maybe we ought to rip up the interstates since Eisenhower emulated Adolf by getting the American autobahan (sorry about that spelling!!!) off and running, eh? ;-)

I suspect there's a difference in Republicans emulating Adolf... and Barack emulating Adolf? :-D

I agree that it would be a shame if millions of Americans were deprived of a great opportunity to obtain health care from the federal government because their state decides to opt out.

But if such a plan provides a chance to get our foot in the door, I'm thinking that it would be worth while. If the plan is good, word will spread pretty quickly from states that use it. Then, it seems to me, all states will be pressured into adopting it. Opting out could be considered the equivalent of opting out of Medicare. What state government would dare do that?

Certain pre-existing conditions of the day dictated policy: If you were either Jewish, gay, mentally retarded, or a member of select ethnic groups not part of the "superior" race, your health problems were officially over. You were DEAD.

And one other inconvenient truth -- Those of African descent, being considered "genetically inferior", have never been allowed membership in any Nazi organization, past or present. Sorry wingnuts, but President Obama does not break any new ground here, and the neo-Nazis in our midst do not appear to be rushing to support his policies.

Today, most members of these same groups know full well which political party flirts with Nazism and fascism. Hint: It ain't the Democrats.

... so he just borrowed one of Limbaugh's.



:eyes:

Also . . . I agree with the OP that the opt-out scheme is a lousy idea. It puts people in desperate need of a public option in peril. Rick Perry, for example, seems unbothered by the high rate of uninsured in Texas. Republicans don't care if you die in the street (but please don't block the sidewalk).

it's the Southern Baptists! LOL.

Rev. Land, of course.

You know why Babtist don't dance?