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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:37 PM
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At Dole's request, WH tells DNC to stop ad featuring Dole and other Republicans.
It was not too long ago that the WH Chief of Staff told progressives not to run ads against other Democrats. I had donated money for the ad against Ben Nelson, but I think it was pulled after that.

At Dole's Request, White House Tells DNC to Pull Health Care Reform Ad

The Democratic National Committee has agreed to pull a TV ad featuring former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole, R-Kan., following objections Dole conveyed to the White House that the ad twists his support for a bipartisan compromise for health care reform legislation into something else entirely. The ad, which was set to launch Monday, features Dole and other Republican former officials advocating in general terms for health care reform.

Dole is quoted saying, "I want this to pass. ... We've got to do something," and the ad attempts to contrast that attitude with that of current GOP congressional leaders, which the DNC describes as "siding with the insurance companies and just saying no to insurance reform."

"I wish they hadn't done it," Dole said of the DNC ad in a phone interview with ABC News on Sunday afternoon, saying that the ad's depiction of current GOP leaders "is just not my view."

He found it a bit ironic that "all I've been doing is urging bipartisanship" and that was used for partisan purposes.


That is a bunch of bull. The GOP is playing this bipartisan stuff for all it is worth. And since election day our party has been using the words "post partisan" or "bipartisan"....both of which imply that no one take stands on anything.

The demand for 60 votes on the bill, the pretense that there is no other way. It is infuriating. The recent sudden appearance from nowhere of the "opt out of the public option by state" idea is just on example of the bipartisan games being played instead of taking a stand.

I am in agreement with this statement from Fire Dog Lake about the opt out

It’s nothing but an escape hatch for a White House that has bungled health care up until now, a political exercise supported by those who want to deliver themselves from the mess they’ve made. Its supporters say that it will help them get the "60 votes" they need for the public option, which is curious because these people generally understand that the 60 vote threshold is for cloture. Not one single Senator in the Democratic caucus — not even Joe Lieberman — has said that they will join a Republican filibuster. Not one. And even Schumer himself says there are 54-56 votes for a public option, a comfortable majority for an up-or-down vote. They’ve never been able to produce 10 members of the caucus who say they will vote against one.


I was also in agreement with Barney Frank several months ago when he said he was suffering from "post partisan depression

On MSNBC this afternoon, Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) repeated his criticism of President-elect Obama’s decision to invite Rick Warren to deliver the Inaugural invocation, calling Warren’s views on homosexuality “deeply offensive.” Frank said Obama “overestimates his ability” to “charm” conservative opponents to his side, and joked that he missed the days of partisanship:

"I think he overestimates his ability to take people — particularly our colleagues on the Right — and sort of charm them into being nice. I know he talks about being post-partisan. But I’ve worked frankly with Newt Gingrich, Tom Delay, and the current Republican leadership. … When he talks about being post partisan, having seen these people and knowing what they would do in that situation, I suffer from post partisan depression."


Me, too, Barney.

The "post partisan" meme was the idea of Al From and the DLC.

Right after the election last year Al From used Politico to remind President Obama that he must keep his promise of post partisanship.

Keeping the promise of post-partisanship

That promise is to change Washington, govern bigger than his party and forge a post-partisan political era. He pledged to tackle the country’s most pressing economic, domestic and security challenges by delivering a new kind of politics.

With the superpartisan Bush White House finally history and swelled majorities in both Houses, Democratic constituencies will have plenty of pent-up demands, and some Democrats in Congress may be tempted to engage in political payback.

I can sympathize with those desires, but Obama needs to resist them, for the success of his presidency — and, ultimately, his success in building a lasting political majority — will depend not on whether he satisfies the insiders in Washington but on whether he improves the lives of ordinary Americans who put their trust in him.

..."First, appoint a Cabinet that is, indeed, post-partisan — tapping the best people, not just in both parties but in the private sector as well. Obama must make merit, not party affiliation, the key criterion for participating in his administration.


Not just Al From. Here came Bob Kerrey spouting out his usual spiel against the danger of "liberals" in the party.

Bob Kerrey, Democrat, says Obama faces threat from liberals.

From an op ed in the New York Daily News:

By my lights, the primary threat to the success of a President Obama will come from some Democrats who, emboldened by the size of their congressional majority, may try to kill trade agreements, raise taxes in ways that will destroy jobs, repeal the Patriot Act and spend and regulate to high heaven.

This is where Obama's persona is invaluable. He can withstand the arguments and pressure of the liberal wing in the Democratic caucus if, once elected, he is guided by the best instincts he has displayed on the campaign trail.


I believe this is likely because Obama will surround himself with professionals, not ideologues or acolytes. An unprecedented number of patriotic, politically savvy and centrist men and women have been part of his campaign team - and are therefore likely to make up President Obama's governing team.


The warning to liberal and progressive groups from Rahm, telling us not to attack conservative Democrats....the request from the WH to the DNC to stop the ad against Republicans because Bob Dole did not like it.

Plus the sudden appearance of the opt out option for health care...these things show that our party is going the way of bipartisanship, post partisanship, with those who are not supportive of our ideals and goals as Democrats. It's my bet it won't work.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:39 PM
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1. The 'opt out' clause will leave folks in TX, SC, etc. high and dry. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:40 PM
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2. And probably FL as well.
:shrug:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:46 PM
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3. Yes, I think so. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:57 PM
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5. And it is unnecessary.
We don't need to compromise with the right to that extent.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:22 PM
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10. I know. I just don't 'get' it. Let it pass by 51 votes and make them veto it. Go on record. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:18 AM
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24. Exactly.
The fact that Baucus and others like him have been the main Congressional faces of health care reform has been disturbing to me.

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suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:23 AM
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33. Please take personal responsibility for Republican dominance
in the state of Florida, madflorida.

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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 08:43 AM
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35. I'll bet money that Florida opts out faster than Texas or SC.
This legislature is completely owned.

And screw Rahm. He's probably thinking he can recruit some more repukes to run as Dems, just to keep the K Street gravy train moving.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:19 PM
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8. They'll just move to states that don't opt out.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:21 PM
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9. That's a bad solution. Most are in no position to just move.
I have seen people here saying to just move. It is not a common sense thing. People in states like mine would be at the mercy of our right wing leaders.

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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:25 PM
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12. It is what many did when Tennessee opened up Tenncare.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:17 PM
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13. It's wrong to put people in that position.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:37 AM
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19. I agree and it shows the need for a uniform system throughout the states.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 09:57 PM
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4. Move if you can.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:01 PM
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6. The ad is at the first link, but unavailable for viewing. I never saw it.
Was it really that bad?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:16 PM
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7. Harwood and Holt ridiculing the left, telling liberal bloggers to get out of pjs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKYWd11oi4M

Hubby and I worked so hard from 2003 on until end of 2008. I write with a lot of feeling, and I resent that video so much.

The president needs to get hold of the staff who are giving out quotes like that. He needs to sit on them firmly.

We either stand for something or we don't.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 08:27 AM
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22. The White House has been leaning on the Left also on healthcare, etc. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 12:05 PM
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26. "The left" has become a naughty word among Democrats since DLC began.
Maybe before that, but then before that I was not really part of "the left". I was pretty moderate.

So I only started noticing when the Democrats started ridiculing "the left" as fringe. I really noticed in 2003 when they called Dean fringe and elite, and called us the same.

Now I am very aware.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 07:11 PM
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38. DLC is right wing poison in Dem Party . . . and if liberals/progressives don't hold
to their own agenda -- and I'd say we should have a fairly long "SH_ _ list" --

then we're only going to get more of the same!!!

Like having Dole telling the DNC what to do -- !!!!

Crap!!

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 10:24 PM
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11. What a bunch of pussies The DNC is.
Bob Dole yells, "Get off my lawn!" and they jump?


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:29 PM
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14. Well, at least the WH didn't tell the DNC to pull the Republicans = Taliban ad
“He believes it is deceptive, it was not authorized, and he asked that it be pulled,” Michael Marshall, a spokesman for Mr. Dole, said Sunday morning. “He was told late last night by the White House that it would not run.”

The commercial was set to appear on national and Washington cable television stations on Monday, in advance of a vote by the Senate Finance Committee on its version of an overhaul.

Mr. Dole, the 1996 Republican presidential nominee, had voiced his support last week and on several earlier occasions for a bipartisan overhaul the health-care system, but not for any particular bill.

“The ad makes it appear Senator Dole is supporting the Democratic version of health-care reform,” Mr. Marshall said. “That is patently false. He is not supporting any bill out there. He has been pushing for bipartisanship and for leaders on both sides to come together to pass sound reform.”

link


The DNC got some mileage out of the ad. Dole can go around making these claims for weeks. The Dems don't need to give him or the media an extended opportunity to say the ad is unauthorized.

They can still run ads targeting Republicans.




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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:30 PM
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15. Yes, it is all just fine. No problem.
:shrug:
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:37 PM
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16. Makes me see red…
remembering those damned "swift boat" ads.

What a crock!
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-11-09 11:38 PM
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17. It's impossible to "play fair"
when only one side agrees to do it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 12:29 AM
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18. Exactly right.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 08:06 AM
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20. The "opt-out" for states is is bloody fucking stupid...
it should be up to the individual if they do or do not want to participate.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 04:19 PM
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29. There's no need for it at all.
We do have a majority.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 07:18 PM
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39. I'm fairly confident that any Repug Governor pulling that in any state would be
impeached or recalled shortly thereafter -- !!!

????
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BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 08:21 AM
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21. Fuck you Dole...
You're too busy burning crosses and bashing atheists with your hussy of a (loser...lol )wife. It's all you know how to do, asshole.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 09:45 AM
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23. Dole is still waffling *how* many years out of office?
With health insurance *how* good?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 10:33 PM
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31. How long has it been? Seems like years.
And very good insurance.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:29 AM
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25. Pfizer probably threatened to cut off Dole's viagra supply if he did the ad

And Bob Dole can't have that! Bob Dole needs to leave
some more pen marks on Liddy's back, because
Bob Dole is a sex machine!!!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 12:52 PM
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27. We laughed hilariously when he started those ads.
It was so odd and funny. It was years ago, can't remember when.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 02:13 PM
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28. Dole complained the ad made it sound like he supported Dem version of bill
So they took it down, even though it used his own statements?

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/10/12/2095988.aspx

"Over the weekend, President Obama and the Democratic party cited statements by several prominent Republicans, including former Senators Bob Dole and Bill Frist in support health care reform as a sign of “unprecedented consensus” on the issue.

But Dole asked that a DNC ad, which featured him saying; “I want this to pass… we’ve got to do something,” be pulled before its scheduled Monday release. Dole’s spokesman: ““The ad makes it appear Senator Dole is supporting the Democratic version of health-care reform. That is patently false. He is not supporting any bill out there. He has been pushing for bipartisanship and for leaders on both sides to come together to pass sound reform.”



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:34 PM
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30. The party, starting now, needs to show respect for its "left", its "liberals"
And make it clear right now that we are an appreciated part of the party.

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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:31 AM
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32. Don't hold your breath
We are the nuisance wing of the party.
But they'll talk nice to us when it's voting time.
:spank:
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 07:29 AM
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34. Kick. We shouldn't be too hard on the pubbies.
We should take their concerns into consideration since they only have the best interests of the people at heart. Stop the mean commercials and bow down and accept the opt-out now!

:puke:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 07:04 PM
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36. late K&R
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 07:09 PM
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37. And I guess the DNC would want $$$ from me for this, right . . . ??? BS . . .
Dole is a Repug pig -- getting away with all he can!

And the DNC is helping him!!

Big mistake here . . .

Like, George Mitchell might have gone to Bush and told him attacking Max Clelland

was overboard!!???

Where is precedent for this nonsense???

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