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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 03:42 AM
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DNA test waivers to come to an end?
http://volokh.com/2009/10/11/an-end-to-dna-test-waivers/#comments

i wasn't even aware these existed prior to this article and they are (imo) a GROSS example of a perversion of the justice system.




The Washington Post reports the Justice Department is reviewing a Bush Administration policy that required some criminal defendants to agree to waive their right to DNA testing as a part of plea deals.

The practice of using DNA waivers began several years ago as a response to the Innocence Protection Act of 2004, which allowed federal inmates to seek post-conviction DNA tests to prove their innocence. More than 240 wrongly convicted people have been exonerated by such tests, including 17 on death row.

The waivers are filed only in guilty pleas and bar defendants from ever requesting DNA testing, even if new evidence emerges. Prosecutors who use them, including some of the nation’s most prominent U.S. attorneys, say people who have admitted guilt should not be able to file frivolous petitions for testing. They say the wave of DNA exonerations has little impact in federal court because all those found to be innocent were state prisoners, and the waivers apply only to federal charges. DNA evidence is used far more frequently in state courts.

But DNA experts say that’s about to change because more sophisticated testing will soon bring biological evidence into federal courtrooms for a wider variety of crimes. Defense lawyers who have worked on DNA appeals strongly oppose the waivers, saying that innocent people sometimes plead guilty — mainly to get lighter sentences — and that denying them the ability to prove their innocence violates a fundamental right. One quarter of the 243 people exonerated by DNA had falsely confessed to crimes they didn’t commit, and 16 of them pleaded guilty.

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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:48 AM
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1. I have long had mixed feelings on plea agreements
I know that without plea deals the courts would be more congested than they are now, but I believe that prosecutors often use plea agreements to gain convictions which they know they could not win in a trial. This leads to innocent people taking pleas rather than gamble with their freedom. If faced with charges which could result in 20 or 30 years in prison if convicted, being lied to by police and prosecutors about the gravity of the evidence against you, then offered a plea for 2-5, a fair amount of people choose that route. It is sad that prosecutors and often police, really aren't as interested in justice as they are their conviction ratio.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 03:15 PM
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2. not police
it's prosecutors. i'm a cop. most cops i know could not give a flying #$#( about their conviction rate. that's because cops don't really have conviction rates. the job of PROSECUTORs is conviction. it's not a cops job. we don't work for the prosecutor or the defense. sure, cops may take a personal interest in some cases, but it's hardly true that just because a cop makes an arrest or identifies a suspect, that he necessarily wants a convictions, or at least cares that much either way.

also, prosecutors cannot, according to the law, lie about evidence against you. cops can. prosecutors can't.

i have no problem with plea deals. i have a big problem with any plea deal that eliminates the right to appeal later on, to include, by DNA evidence.

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