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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 10:49 AM
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Sec. of State Clinton Takes Responsibility for Delay in Afghanistan Decision
Edited on Mon Oct-12-09 10:49 AM by berni_mccoy
In her MSNBC Interview with Ann Curry, Sec. Clinton reminded Curry that the President makes each decision on the merits and says that we must make the right decision with respect to Afghanistan. And making the right decision requires time to consider a "deep, stripped down investigation". When Curry probed deeper, given the urgency in Afghanistan, the following exchange occurred:

Curry: With all due respect to the Administration, what is taking so long?

Sec. Clinton: Well first of all, every one of those deaths and all of the injuries of any of our men and women in uniform, weighs heavily on all of us who are sitting around the table in the situation room. And what is going on in this analysis is the kind of deep, stripped down investigation of assumptions. Because, when we make this decision, when we recommend to the President what we believe he should do, we're going to be all in.

Curry: If the President decides not to send more troops to Afghanistan, morally, can he still keep 68 thousand troops there.

Sec. Clinton: I want to not only guarantee you, but guarantee all of your listeners that this process will result in a very well thought out approach and the number of troops will reflect how we are going to implement the strategy. Now I know there are many Americans who say "Get out of Afghanistan, bring em all home" and there are others who say "Put in hundreds of thousands more". But I think neither extreme is really focused on the situation as we are.


link to video interview here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/33275984#33275984
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 10:52 AM
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1. The media is pressuring the President to make a decision
President Obama is right taking as much time as necessary to make the right decision.

Hasty decisions got us into Afghanistan in the first place.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 03:12 PM
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21. And she comes out and says she respects the urgency of the situation... I just don't understand
how some people are so adamant in the administration doing it only as they would solve it.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 10:55 AM
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2. I think she is very good
Edited on Mon Oct-12-09 10:55 AM by Autumn
at carrying through President Obama goals.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 10:59 AM
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3. I'm just so thrilled she's proving all the people wrong who had nothing but
Edited on Mon Oct-12-09 11:00 AM by xultar
bad shit to say about her.

Shows how ignorant they are.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:03 AM
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4. Absolutely right,
of course this does make her look like a 'warmonger", but as I've been told numerous times, what she says is Obamas policy, not hers. But damn the two of them work well together.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:10 AM
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6. Well when they like it's Obama's policy, when they don't like it she's off the chain
that's usually how it goes.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:14 AM
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9. LOL
true. Pretzel logic.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 03:36 PM
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24. +1
It also shows how skilled the President is in bringing top people together
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:17 AM
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11. Exactly.
to use a WW2 analogy, it's much like Patton & Bradley - two very opposite men who made one hell of a team. The were good when Bradley was under Patton in Sicily; they were SUPERB when Patton was under Bradley after D-day, and the latter is the situation here.
President Obama's foreign policy goals require detailed, highly nuanced diplomacy - SoS Clinton kicks SERIOUS ass on detail & nuance. So she's operating in her area of strength.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:06 AM
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5. i don't recall this SHIT from the media when junior took 4 months to surge
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:13 AM
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8. True. But it doesn't matter like a good team player she's taking the hit for it.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 01:32 PM
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19. Exactly.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:13 AM
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7. I was never a fan of Sec. Clinton, but if she's being thrown under the bus
Even I'll call bullshit. Who did President Obama tell us to hold accountable in all things. Him, that's who. I plan to.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:18 AM
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12. huh?
There's no bus... she simply said they are taking their time to come up with a thoughtful solution/strategy. How is that being thrown under the bus?
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:18 AM
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13. I don't think Obama is throwing
her under the bus. I don't even see her claiming responsibility, seems to me she is giving the Administrations stance. IMO
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:20 AM
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14. She's doing a good job by taking the hit. I think she's throwing herself under
for the team.

That's not a bad thing. She's not running for president again so she is expendable.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:34 AM
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15. LOL, wut? So, Obama ordered her to say these things? I think your tinfoil is wrapped a little too
Edited on Mon Oct-12-09 11:35 AM by berni_mccoy
tightly.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 12:12 PM
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17. Did I say President Obama ordered her to say shit? You can stop putting words in my mouth
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 12:41 PM
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18. When you said she was being thrown under the bus, you were implying someone threw her under...
I think we all know who you meant.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:14 AM
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10. middle of the road. pfft.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:54 AM
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16. No, how about an intelligent decision. If they were going the easy road, they would
have decided by now. If they were going to do what they wanted, they would have decided by now. But that's what Bush did. Is that what you want?
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 02:13 PM
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20. they are using our soldiers like pawns in a huge profit making chess game
those are people, not chess pieces. and they can stop trying to save fucking face, by lying about why we are there.
they can start by not lying. than, get the hell out.
I know, let them have their stinking wars and just use mercenaries, paid for out of the pockets of lobbyists.
and leave the US soldiers and US taxpayers out of it.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 10:31 AM
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28. Great post.
Thank you.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 03:21 PM
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22. It's not necessarily her responsibility nor should she be held accountable
.....for the lack of a decision thus far. Ultimately, the buck stops with President Obama and I respect that he and his team, including Hillary, ARE taking their time to come up with a new strategy/solution to doing whatever it is we need to do there instead of simply plopping more troops in there or precipitously yanking everybody out of there. Such deliberation will lead to a better outcome for our troops, as well as the Afghanis and I do not understand why the Republicans, enabled by the corporate media whores, are trying to pressure President Obama into making a rash decision- but then again I guess they WERE eager for Bush to "get his war on" back in 2003 and was critical, if not contemptuous, of anybody seeking restraint or re-evaluation of whether we really needed to invade.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 03:34 PM
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23. It's not just Republicans who are trying to pressure the President into making a rash decision
There are plenty of people here shouting "Bring the Troops Home Now!" as the only answer to Afghanistan.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:34 PM
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25. That's true too
Any major decision made rashly about Afghanistan IMHO would be a bad idea.
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spaten Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:00 PM
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26. thought a decision was already made
Last week we heard: no pulling out and no drawdown.
so what exactly are they deciding?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:14 PM
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27. No decision has been made on what to do. You may be thinking of reports you heard
that asked if there would be a pull-out in Afghanistan any time soon and Sec. Clinton said don't count on it.
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