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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:22 PM
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Man Killed 2-Year-Old Boy For Not Eating (poured boiling water on the boy)
Edited on Mon Oct-12-09 05:23 PM by Cali_Democrat
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21270828/detail.html



KISSIMMEE, Fla. -- A 19-year-old man was charged with first-degree murder after allegedly injuring his girlfriend's 2-year-old son and then pouring boiling water on the boy, who later died, Kissimmee police said.

Jonathan Alicea was initially arrested on a charge of attempted felony murder of the child, who was in critical condition at Arnold Palmer Hospital in Orlando. The charge was upgraded after the boy died on Monday, police said.

According to Kissimmee police, officers were called to the Osceola Regional Medical Center at about 7:15 p.m. Sunday in reference to a possible child abuse case.

Detectives talked with Alicea, who was the caretaker of the child when he was injured, and Alicea said he became angry with the boy because he would not eat and he soiled his pants, according to Kissimmee police.

Alicea told police he pushed the child's head, causing him to lose consciousness. He said he tried CPR, but when it didn't work, he poured boiling water on the child in an attempt to revive him.

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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:23 PM
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1. WTF?!
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:25 PM
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Women that put men before their children should be damned to hell
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:27 PM
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3. Don't condemn the woman, you don't know all the circumstances...


This is horrible. However, you have no idea of the circumstances of the mother or her situation.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:34 PM
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15. I'm sure I don't
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Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:39 PM
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40. I condemn them both
When it became apparent the guy had hurt her child she should have put a carving knife in him.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:35 PM
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11. Why would you blame her?
That's just silly.
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:59 PM
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13. I would blame her because he was her child and she should have protected him
Leaving him in the care of someone who would do something like that is not protecting him.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:55 PM
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20. Maybe she didn't know how crazy the boyfriend was.
Sometimes it can take years to determine that someone is nuts. It also sounds like they were a young couple as the boyfriend was 19, but we don't know the mother's age.

It's possible she just didn't know he was nuts. We will need more details on the story.

Blaming the mother at this point is premature.
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:04 PM
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22. Perhaps you are right
I just know that protecting my little ones from harm was my most important function in life for many years.

The girl probably did not know or recognize he was capable of such a thing. But you always need to be extra cautious leaving a child with a boyfriend who is not the real father. Maybe she did not have enough years to know about this.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:28 PM
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24. She also has a six year old child according to the article.
Edited on Mon Oct-12-09 07:29 PM by LisaL
Of course that doesn't tell us her age.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 01:52 AM
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51. Didn't know, didn't want to admit, was dependent on him in some way, a myriad of reasons
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sfwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:49 PM
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19. I don't believe in hell...
...but I am certain that mother is there as we speak.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:25 PM
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2. I feel sick. a baby. a little baby.
I wish I didnt know these things.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:27 PM
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4. gaud dammmit all to hell,
somebody get this guy out of the gene pool, no body pushes a childs' head and causes him to lose consciousness. He probably broke the kids neck.

This is what we're up against in this state, kids having kids having more kids and we wonder if it'll ever change.

gaud dammit the child was only two years old.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:28 PM
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8. Get out of my head...
I just had the same thoughts... almost verbatim.

:cry:
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jeffbr Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:27 PM
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5. This asshole doesn't deserve to live
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Louisiana1976 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 09:25 PM
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30. Lethal injection is too humane for him..boil him instead.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:27 PM
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6. From his actions, he seems to be mentally impaired
Since when does boiling hot water revive anyone, much less a child?
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:59 PM
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14. Not necessarily - several years ago, a local toddler was beaten to death
by the child's mother and her boyfriend. They were having a contest to see who could hit him harder.

They are both "normal" people and both still in prison.

mark

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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:27 PM
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23. Well we only have this guy's word that he poured boiling water
on the child to revive him.
Frankly I think prosecution might have a different idea.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:52 PM
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27. I'll wager he's not mentally challenged at all. Male bears, wolves, birds, etc.

will often kill or drive off the offspring of a female they want to mate with. It's amazing and sickening how often this pattern is repeated within our own species.

Sometimes females engage in the same behavior although they kill less often than males, they sometimes drive competing offspring away through neglect or aggression.


Another DU'er called this behavior "tomcat killing," and it does seem to happen a lot.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:02 PM
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38. Science and human experience support fears about 'evil step-parents'
Maru Kitteh, you are right.

It is a sociological fact that children are far safer with biological parents.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:37 AM
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41. It's depressing, but true. Obviously the vast majority of step-parents are excellent parents to
all the children in their households. Obviously some parents (Susan Smith) kill their own children to curry the favor of a new mate, or for financial or other numerous and despicable reasons.

This doesn't change the fact that a child in a mixed family situation is statistically more likely to suffer death, abuse or neglect than a child in home with biological parents.

There's a good little abstract here. http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/1400/Causes-Effects-Child-Abuse-HOUSEHOLD-COMPOSITION-RISK-MALTREATMENT-DEATH.html


It's just tragic. I retain hope that we may someday reduce instances of this horrific behavior through education, public awareness, increased penalization and whatever other measures may be effective.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 10:00 PM
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33. Why are you looking for ways to excuse his act?
:puke:
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WestSeattle2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 10:06 PM
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35. Mentally impaired or an immature asshole who couldn't
control his anger? I'd wager on the second.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:28 PM
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7. Damn, dude. WTF?
Just no words.
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WestSeattle2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 10:05 PM
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34. Well stated.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 10:09 PM
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37. I know! I read the article this morning and couldn't believe it!!!
Horrifying
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:30 PM
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9. If he really believed that would work, the stupid is overwhelming.
That poor baby. :cry:
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:31 PM
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10. Let the punishment fit the crime.
I'll boil the water..... :grr:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:44 PM
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12. If guilty, may he suffer a long, ugly punishment in prison until his timely demise.
I wonder how old the mother is. The article doesn't say.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 08:03 PM
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29. +1. If guilty may he never have another moment of joy again in his life.
Edited on Mon Oct-12-09 08:06 PM by Maru Kitteh
Not one. What do you bet there's some animal abuse in his not too distant past as well, as it so often serves as a precursor to domestic abuse and other violent crime?

Most people don't go straight from 0 mph to boiling a kid in one incident.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:37 PM
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16. He hit the child first, caused unconsciousness, and then tried to revive him with boiling water
That must have been one hard smack. And he was stupid.
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Stargazer09 Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:41 PM
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17. How incredibly sad
What a horrible way for anyone to die, much less a small toddler. Poor little guy.

:cry:
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:46 PM
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18. Seems every day I read about another kid getting killed by his mother's boyfriend
in some torturous way or other.

Usually the story is that the boyfriend was left to babysit while the mother was off doing something else, and the baby wouldn't behave. You know, it wouldn't stop crying, it wouldn't eat, etc. So Loving Boyfriend shakes or beats the child to death, or does some other horrible thing to the tyke that results in death.

It is WAY too common a story.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:33 PM
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25. Yes, and any woman should be really careful before leaving a
young man who is not the father of the child to babysit that child.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 09:51 PM
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31. i bet most of these boyfriends were hateful towards the kids even before
it's not a case where they were caring and normal and suddenly snapped out of nowhere.

they probably complained about the crying and other things before.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 01:48 AM
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49. "Yeah baby, of course I love your son, he looks just like you baby, how could I not love him?"
More than a few of them make their way in by pretending to love the kid.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 10:08 PM
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36. it's a relatively new pattern (last 20 years?) Kids being unprotected from whatever man mom is with
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 01:51 AM
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50. The mother is usually at work while the paramour babysits...
Raising a kid is not cheap, and mothers are required to work if they do manage to get what welfare benefits still exist. There are ways in Florida for a mom to get a discount on child care, but it's really hard to get fully-paid-for care unless the parent is involved in the dependency court system, which could have saved this kid's life.

Had this family been in the dependency system--if it had been the county I'm familiar with, anyway--the mom would have had to have the boyfriend background checked before he could babysit, and the prior offenses would've been found so he would not have been allowed to be around the kid. The mom would have been getting unannounced visits from a child welfare worker, and the kid would be pulled out and placed with family or friends, or as a last resort in foster care, as soon as anyone found him babysitting.

CPS gets a lot of crap tossed at it, but I know of cases where incidents like this were prevented before they could happen.

Tucker
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:04 PM
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21. This is what insurance companies do to thousands of people every year. nt
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:45 PM
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26. Oh fucking A Christ. What a cornhole thing to say.
KNOW when to stop pushing your pet agenda, OK? You think you're doing the cause of healthcare any good with that comment?

NO. You are not.

Disgusting.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:57 PM
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28. yeesh...what is it about these unprepared, immature young parents?
it seems like I'm seeing more and more cases like this...several years ago I had a former co-worker (about 21 or 22) who punched his infant son to death because he wouldn't stop crying...at the time I was shocked but now it seems like a weekly occurrence in some state....
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 01:31 AM
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47. 16-22 year-old have been parenting successfully for millennia
Researching much of my own family back to the middle 1600's, most marriages seemed to occur when the male was about 20 to 26 and the female from about 17 to 20, with a child shortly thereafter.

On the other hand - it's well known that infanticide and other kinds of child murder have been tolerated in many societies throughout history.

I think there's a larger question at play here than the age of this killer and the mother. I think that question goes to why we as a society seem to be experiencing more of these kinds of incidents.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 09:59 PM
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32. This a case for eye-for-an-eye.
Boil that worthless fuck to death.
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chatnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 11:31 PM
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39. The mother was apparently at work at Disney at the time
according to this article.

Loser bf also "has two sexually-related arrests on his record involving a child between 12 and 15 years old."

http://www.wftv.com/countybycounty/21271455/detail.html
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:43 AM
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42. Boiling water. Revival. Sorry, not buying it. nt
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:45 AM
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43. How does a 19 year old man get that ignorant, inept, abusive, irresponsible and homicidal?
:wow:
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:52 AM
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45. Most likely a victim himself. nt
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 01:04 AM
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46. Of what?
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 01:37 AM
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48. So what. My mom was a victim of abandonment, rape, neglect and slavery
She did not harm others - and in fact became a devoted and nurturing mother and wife.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:51 AM
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44. Oh my God I hope he dies a horrible death
Maybe some fellow inmates will learn why he's in and take it upon themselves.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 01:57 AM
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52. Ugh.
Just... ugh.
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