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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:10 PM
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Faith based healthcare, let each church provide a section of
their facility/property to act as a free clinic for basic healthcare. Let doctors, EMT's, nurses and orderlies donate time to this project. If they did this they might find the collection plate a tad heavier at times... then they could truly say they are doing some of the lord's work... skip the confessionals, provide a place for the professionals to do what they do out of the goodness of their hearts and let them use the time they donate to receive a tax break... crazier ideas have been put to the test, why not one more.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:23 PM
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1. Or money-based healthcare.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:23 PM
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2. No. We need a strong public option. I don't go to church.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:24 PM
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3. +1 nt
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:26 PM
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4. Oh noes.... another non believer!!!! Praise the lord and pass
the ammunition! It wouldn't have to be IN the church, I could see them putting some portable office space thingies onsite.... or perhaps a MASH unit.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:44 PM
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5. Google church clinic
There are already many of this type of clinic operating today. Real Christian churches do things like this.

So, it's an active, working thing. Investigate for yourself.
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peallens Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:49 PM
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6. Already exists
Edited on Mon Oct-12-09 06:54 PM by peallens
Isn't that how Christian and Catholic hospitals were started? The last time I checked this still exists.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:59 PM
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8. yes ..one of the best in the world is st mary`s in rochester minnesota
better known as the st mary`s/ mayo clinic complex. i`ve been to both and it`s the nirvana of health care.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:01 PM
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10. Sure. Many churches also have clinics for poor people.
What the OP suggests already exists, of course. Every mainstream Christian church has sponsored hospitals, which can be locate by search for Saint ??? Hospital, Methodist Hospital, Presbyterian Hospital, and so on.

The clinic thing is less frequently found, but seems to be on the upswing. It's a good idea, but not a new one.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:22 PM
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19. Someone said it's a good idea..... heheheheh..... on the other
hand...

Father Baker was a good man who helped protect and care for many children.. a few more like him would do the world good.


http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/817219.html
One display shows what a room in Father Nelson H. Baker’s protectory for boys would have looked like in the late 1800s, complete with replica beds and pastoral views out the windows.

Another area explains Baker’s 1874 pilgrimage to Paris, where he developed his lifelong devotion to Our Lady of Victory.

Father Baker’s own room, with the simple brass bed and quartersawn oak desk, also is shown.

The story of Father Baker, the legendary Lackawanna priest who’s a contender for Catholic sainthood, has been told many times through books, DVDs, Web sites and documentaries.

This week, Our Lady of Victory Basilica in Lackawanna will unveil a dramatic way of explaining Baker’s life and work, when an overhauled Father Nelson H. Baker Museum opens in the basilica’s basement.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:01 PM
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11. to many people confuse real believers in christ`s message with ..
those who use his name in vain. to each his own.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 06:54 PM
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7. Yeah.. let religion run health care...
Edited on Mon Oct-12-09 06:55 PM by walldude
they've done such a good job with spirituality. :eyes: Let me ask you this, what happens when someone needs birth control? Or a gay man or woman needs medical care? You think the churches are going to magically accept everyone because they are providing health care?



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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:00 PM
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9. you dont need xrays, you need to pray more
it is about as prudent as "rub some dirt on it"
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:11 PM
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16. Or have doctors that deny scientific method and large portions of medical knowledge
Because it violates their religious beliefs. I don't think so. I am much more comfortable with medical personnel whose personal religious beliefs are not part of my medical care.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:15 PM
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18. Oh, for pete's sake. Not all churches are
fundamentalist in nature. Open your eyes.

And I'm an atheist, so don't come all jerky on me.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 10:51 PM
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26. No, not all, but too many churches these days are anti-science
Though their members want the benefits of science without allowing their children to be taught scientific method. I dread the results long term if this trend is allowed to continue.

I live in the South - I see the under educated people here all the time and far too many of them are making the important decisions concerning our society.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:13 PM
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17. Actually, church founded hospitals are often the best in an
area. Not fundie churches, but old-line, mainstream churches. They're in every city of any size, and in some smaller cities are the main hospital.

You won't find the fundie denominations doing this at all. The RCC does have lots of churches, and you probably can't get an abortion there, but they're not the only resource.

Church-sponsored nursing homes, hospices, and other facilities also are often the best in an area.

Smaller clinics are fewer, but the number is growing.

Not all Christians are assholes. Not even a majority. I'm an atheist, but I'm not blind. Look around you with your eyes open, and see what you find.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 08:41 PM
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24. My eyes are plenty open. I've seen how churches treat people
who don't subscribe to their particular brand of religion. No thanks. And just so you understand, what I took from the OP was that he wanted all health care to be turned over to the Churches to run. Sorry, you go ahead and let that happen if that's what you like. Any organization that calls gays an ABOMINATION can kiss my fucking ass.

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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:23 AM
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28. Yes, that's what the OP said, let the church RUN all of medicine.
Funny how people see what they want to see.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:27 PM
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20. Let me repeat myself, let professionals who have time to spare
donate their time for the needy at a church provided location. I said nothing about letting the church run healthcare.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:37 PM
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21. Since you think it's such a good idea, why don't you go to med school, become a doctor, then donate
Edited on Mon Oct-12-09 07:38 PM by katandmoon
your time to doctor poor patients at a church you have persuaded to provide a MASH unit for your use.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:41 PM
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22. Because I don't have to. Can't afford med school. Wouldn't toe
the line for the pharmaceutical controlled medical profession. What I would do is recommend things such as pycnogenol, resveratrol, lipoic acid, coenzyme q10, Niacin, omega threes, and turnips.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:02 PM
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12. Do what Silverman said. SELL THE VATICAN, FEED THE POOR! nt
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:04 PM
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13. oh don`t bring that up again !
sometimes i think i`ll have to dodge a brick when i post my comments about his popeness...:hide: :rofl:
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:08 PM
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14. A church here in Phoenix has a women's health clinic.
They are pro-choice and counsel women on all their options.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 07:11 PM
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15. Um...hell no.
n.t.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 08:00 PM
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23. Health care should be a right, not a matter of charity
Edited on Mon Oct-12-09 08:01 PM by me b zola
Yeah, thank you very much, but as a woman, mother, and grandmother I don't want my health care to depend upon "faith-based" people, let alone any charity. Why the fuck can't we live in a civilized society where I have access to normal health care?


On edit: :hurts: smiley for a lame op.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 05:22 AM
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27. Cuz the pharmaceutical goons control the medical syllabus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_alternative_medicine


The arrival into Britain of thousands of Chinese in the 1970s introduced Traditional Chinese Medicine – a system dating back to the Bronze Age or earlier that used acupuncture, herbs, diet and exercise.<12> Today there are more than 2,000 registered practitioners in the UK. The impact on CAM of mass immigration into the UK is continuing into the twenty-first century. Originating in Japan, cryotherapy has been developed by Polish researchers into a system that claims to produce lasting relief from a variety of conditions such as rheumatism, psoriasis and muscle pain.<13> Patients spend a few minutes in a chamber cooled to minus 110oC during which skin temperature drops some 12oC.

The use of CAM is widespread and increasing across the developed world. The British are presented with a wide choice of treatments from the traditional to the innovative and technological. Section 60 of the Health Act 1999 allows for new health professions to be created by Order rather than primary legislation.<14> This raises issues of public health policy which balance regulation, training, research, evidence-base and funding against freedom of choice in a culturally diverse society
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 09:16 PM
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25. This a good idea, but there will be those who think it is a terrible
idea because it isn't their idea. Happens a lot.

Could point out to the churches that this is a fine way to repay the community for their tax exempt status and the police/fire protection that they receive - free.
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