You could be getting health care for $125/month/adult. How about it?

Covers everything, including long term care. Payroll tax of 10% of payroll over $140,000. HR 676 has done the math, and also Washington State.

http://www.healthcareforallwa.org/health-security-trust/

It's single payer with global budgeting cost controls. Current proposals, even with public option, are outright theft by comparison. Nonetheless, it doesn't necessarily have to be single payer--the Dutch have mandatory private insurance for 100 euros/month/adult. How do they do it? They regulate the bejeezus out of private insurers.

No political will to regulate private insurers is exactly the same thing as no political will for single payer.

This is exactly what America needs.

whereby some of the reprehensible profits are diverted to the pols in return for NOT regulating the industry. I guess the Dutch are ethical and understand the purpose of government. There's the difference. The willingness to regulate and to treat healthcare as a right and not a commodity.

think too much. I asked a Dutch Ministry of Justice official about the decriminalization of pot and she said, "oh, do your dealers card purchasers? We control and tax it, you fight a loosing war on it." The Dutch are very conservative personally, at least in my observations. They pick their battles and try to spend efficiently. Yes, they have higher taxes and a higher standard of living for more people than we do in the USA. They almost put organized crime out of business with their drug and prostitution laws. Now they regulate it, tax it and spend less on battling crime. I was told they use the sin taxes to help the lower classes with living quarters, food and insurance.

that the Dutch have created the largest existing human artifact - and that artifact is the landmass of the Netherlands itself which the Dutch basically engineered and reclaimed from the sea.

they have got to stop this crazy thinking. LOL.

operate with a sense of cooperation and social responsibility, out of necessity.

They don't have trials before peers as we do. If I understood it correctly, they have panels of a three judges who KNOW the laws who listen to the evidence and then based on knowledge of the law, decide the case. Interesting.

Yes, the Dutch do things differently than we do.

When you tell me my Health Insurance is going to drop from some $14,000 per year to only $3000. Sounds a bit like a free lunch to me. Thats cutting something over $1 Trillion per year nationally.

in front of you. Our health care is expensive because it is a 'for profit' system.

20-30% maybe. But you can't just summarily take out 75% of the current cost of healthcare. That would be around half of what France or Canada pay for a National system.

Don't forget the payroll tax--businesses pay as well as individuals.

the planet you live in for a reason. It's a private for profit middle man system and it will seem like for free if we adopt something that puts the citizens first instead of stockholders of these insurers and their bottom line first. If we shift to publicly financed through payroll taxes or surcharges instead of paying for uninsured care, hospital and insurance subsidies, etc., it will be affordable to the citizen and cost effective from a taxation perspective as well. In America, the health insurers get a free lunch, many of them especially when you count subsidies.

You are exactly correct.

You can't provide healthcare for $125 a month. France for example requires $275 a month for each person.
Not to mention that I don't think their Doctors, Nurses, Physicians Assistants etc. graduate with Debt, which is paid for by our healthcare dollars. Most US Doctors probably aren't going to accept graduating half a million in debt and being restricted to $35 for an office visit.

$350/month for a public plan maybe but $125 I don't believe is realistic for the US.

in health insurance power and influence to adopt something like HR 675 anyway. Otherwise costs will become too high (already are), unsustainable and rationing and denial of care will reach an all time high. Eventually (soon), if we continue with the status quo, something drastic WILL be done. In the meantime many will have to die.

If the GOP gets back into power look for them to blame Obama for not achieving health care reform. They did the same to Hillary.

I think we need to face the reality that our elected Democrats are responsible for much of our problem. Why haven't they been discussing measures to limit corporate influence peddling, for example. I don't much care for corporate rule.

local paper.

but i agree, if the corps run free, we're toast.

If there was input of $125/month per individual (now going to useless intermediaries) plus the payroll tax, that would be a huge new source of funds that the state does not have access to now.

Big K & R.

when I see this ad at the bottom of this thread on DU.

just drove my rate up times 5...nice...guess I will get that extra job now...

sP

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Health care in the Netherlands is financed by a dual system.
Long-term treatments, especially those which involve (semi-)permanent hospitalization, and also disability costs such as wheelchairs, are covered by a a !!!state-run mandatory insurance!!!!!. This is laid down in the Algemene Wet Bijzondere Ziektekosten (AWBZ,), "general law on exceptional healthcare costs" which first came into effect in 1968.
For all regular (short-term) medical treatment, there is a system of obligatory health insurance, with !!!private health insurance!!! companies. These insurance companies are obliged to provide a package with a defined set of insured treatments
This system came into effect in January 2006. For those who would otherwise have insufficient income, an extra !government! allowance is paid to make sure everyone can pay for their health care insurance. People are free to !!purchase additional packages!! from the insurance companies to cover !!additional treatments such as dental procedures and physiotherapy!!!. These additional packages are optional.
A key feature of the Dutch system is that premiums are set at a flat rate for all purchasers regardless of health status or age. Risk variances between funds due to the different risks presented by individual policy holders are compensated through risk equalization and a common risk pool which makes it more attractive for insurers to attract risky clients. Funding for all short term health care is !!!50% from employers!!!!, and 45 percent from the insured person and 5% by the government.!! Children until age 18 are covered for free. Those on low incomes receive compensation to help them pay their insurance. Premiums paid by the insured are about 100 € per month (about US$146 in Sept. 2009) with variation of about 5% between the various competing insurers.

The need for subsidies for some is also included in the math.