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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 09:59 AM
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Do these shooting like VA Tech and Columbine happen in other countries?
I don't mean this from a gun control angle necessarily, more from a cultural one.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:04 AM
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1. Not that I know of. VT shootings were on the first page of Le Monde today.


despite the fact that it is the last week of first round of the presidential campaign.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:05 AM
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2. We still don't have the world's record
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:17 AM
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12. following that link, I went to Massacres and saw that United Fruit had 300-1000 miners shot
during a strike.

The US did a lot of military interventions for those guys.

I don't know if it's a comfort or not to see these happen elsewhere like Port Arthur.

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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:20 AM
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17. I'd probably put the United Fruit massacre more in terms of

something like "economic warfare" where I think the cases of a single person or two shooting up a school is something different.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:22 AM
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19. it was a random thought that isn't thunk much here
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 03:22 PM
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43. Aye, Australia in the lead with 35 dead, 35 injured
Not like that's a good lead to have, but it does indeed happen in other countries. Heck, look at the middle east.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:05 AM
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3. Yes
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:07 AM
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4. Somewhat, although I think they're far less common
Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 10:08 AM by RufusTFirefly
I can think of two incidents in Montreal in the last 15 years. One at Concordia (I believe) and the other at Dawson College last September.

Wikipedia has refreshed my recollection. In referring to the Dawson shooting (two deaths, one self-inflicted), it says


It is the fourth fatal school shooting in Montreal, after the École Polytechnique massacre in 1989, the Valery Fabrikant shooting spree at Concordia University in 1992, and the murder at an immigration school in 1997.


Wikipedia
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:10 AM
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7. Does your media do the orgy thing ours does?
Does yours get all hyper like this?
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 12:24 PM
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31. Sorry, I'm not Canadian
(I really hemmed and hawed about putting that comma in my subject line)

I've got Canadian relatives and regularly spend time up there but don't live in Canada, so I can't comment authoritatively about Canadian media except second hand. Although Canada's media are slowly going the way of American media (there's a laughable Fox equivalent up there), for the most part, Canadian TV is far more intelligent and informative and far less sensational. Americans who exist on a steady diet of our MSM might actually find that Canadian TV is boring. I find it refreshing, but as I said, I see ominous signs that it is beginning to head off in the wrong direction.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:07 AM
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5. Absolutely. Remember Dunblane, Scotland, Port Arthur Australia?
In Dunblane a man killed 16 kindergartners, in Australia a man shot up a pub and some offices, killing 35. Australia banned automatic and semi-automatic weapons over it.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:19 AM
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15. Australia banned auto & semi-auto. That would be a tough sell here. full auto are supposed to be
hard to get, but people can buy semi and easily convert them with kits.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:31 AM
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22. Australia is a civilized nation
We, not so much. :shrug:
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:38 PM
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41. Maybe in many ways, but
they still have a dickhead for a PM.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 06:18 PM
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45. Yeah, true. nt
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:21 AM
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18. Kindergartners is a bad variation. Here in Southern California, a neo-nazi shot up a daycare
center, but didn't kill any (or even hit I think) any of the kids.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:37 AM
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24. The Dunblane shooting still horrifies me.
One of my children was about that age then. The details of that shooting still give me nightmares. No other mass shooting has struck me that hard, and I'm just down the road from Killeen.

For those who don't remember, here's a poorly written melodramatic account of it. Happened in 1996. http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/dunblane_massacre/index.html
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:34 PM
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40. God, me, too. My baby was born in 1996 and I had a child in
kindergarten. Still gives me chills.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 12:26 PM
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33. Interesting, but we're still limited to England and its progeny
Wonder what's up with that.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 01:49 PM
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38. Nah, that's just the result of my memory. Happens everywhere.
Brazil: Genildo Ferreira de Franca (15) Pissed off at being called homosexual by his former father-in-law, Genildo Ferreira de Franca, a former soldier, went on a 22-hour murderous rampage killing 15 people in São Gonçalo do Amarante, a town on the outskirts of Natal, 1,800 miles northeast of São Paulo.

Egypt: Saber & Mahmoud Farahat Abu el-Ulla (13) On September 18, 1997, the two brothers attacked a bus outside the Egyptian Museum in Cairo leaving nine German tourist and their Egyptian driver dead. Egyptian officials have insisted the attack was not linked to Islamic militants.

France: Eric Borel (13) A bored French teenager, Eric woke up a Sunday morning with death on his mind. On September 24, 1995 Borel killed his mother, stepfather and brother with a hammer and a baseball bat. Then he picked up his .22-caliber hunting rifle, walked six miles to the village of Cuers and opened fire in a parking lot outside a bank and in the town square. During his half-hour morning rampage, he killed seven more people and wounded nine others before putting a bullet through his head.

Pakistan: Mohammed Yaqub (10) A resident of the Kashmir state in Pakistan, Mohammed gunned down 10 people after flying into a rage when his nephew defied him by chopping down a tree. Mohammed shot and killed his nephew, Yaseem, with an automatic weapon, then opened fire on family members and bystanders. The suspect surrendered to police soon after the shootout near Muzaffarabad, 60 miles northeast of Islamabad.

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Just a few, with barely any Googling.
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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:07 AM
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6. Yes, Canada...
...despite it being held up in gun control debates as a counter example to US gun liberalism, there was s shooting at the Univeristy of Montreal where 14 women were killed by an engineering student.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=950DE4DC1230F934A35751C1A96F948260
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matt007 Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:10 AM
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8. If you greatly limit gun access
then you greatly lower the probability of having one of these things happen. In the U.K. and most other countries if you want more than a hunting 20 gauge then you must join a police force or the military or obtain it through a very black market. period.

The only good gun is a government gun.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:11 AM
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9. yes.
some asshole gunned down a class of women in montreal some years ago.
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:12 AM
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10. Yes
Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 10:17 AM by davepc
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:12 AM
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11. Chechnya. Over 300 killed.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:17 AM
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13. individual nut or part of conflict with Russia?
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 02:32 PM
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39. why does it matter? A school massacre just the same.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:18 AM
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14. Yes. But not nearly as often (nm)
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:19 AM
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16. We need to slow down. I heard this morning that in 80 years, only 200 people have been killed in
mass shootings. That is 200 too many, but Lou Dobbs said on The Early Show this morning that 1100 college kids will die binge drinking related deaths and another really large number will commit suicide.
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Jeroen Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:35 AM
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23. Yes, but 3000 people are killed each year in ‘small school shootings'
in the US alone. I read that in a Dutch newspaper yesterday, although the article didn't mention a source for this figure.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:02 AM
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30. I find that impossible to believe
We average 16,000 murders per year in this country. Do 1/5 of them really take place in schools?
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:23 AM
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20. Well, yeah.
Link

Link 2 (The events at these schools were part of the larger Rwandan genocide)
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:24 AM
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21. 36 school shootings listed on Wikipedia
Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 10:25 AM by RufusTFirefly
School shootings

Every shooting is a tragedy, but the breakdown is sobering
  • 1 shooting each in Lebanon, Yemen, Australia, Russia, Japan, and the U.K.
  • 2 each in Germany and Israel
  • 4 in Canada
  • 22 in the U.S. (16 of which have happened within the last 20 years)
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    Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:38 AM
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    25. Yes, but this is overwhelmingly an American scenario. nt
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    Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:39 AM
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    26. no. Not really. there's more respect for life than what we have.
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    theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:43 AM
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    28. Except for all the places listed here...
    So, yes.
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    Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:56 AM
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    29. Except that you can probably quote as many killings of this size in the US than in all these ...
    Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 10:57 AM by Mass
    countries together.

    Sure, there are rampage shootings in other countries, but they happen more often in this country (See post 21 as an example).
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    DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:41 AM
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    27. Erfurt, Germany, April 2002
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    ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 12:25 PM
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    32. Iraq
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    Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 12:27 PM
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    34. Belgium
    In Belgium a few years back a gunman took out a bunch of tiny school children but in general, no, this happens ONLY here.
    They seem to have their share of serial killers but this kind is rare.
    Lee
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    moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 12:27 PM
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    35. Seldom.
    But then easy access to guns is not universal.
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    CaptainRant Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 12:28 PM
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    36. North Korea doesn't have these mass killing problems...
    All the guns are out of the hands of individuals and only the government has them. No mass killings at schools there. We should take heed.
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    Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 12:30 PM
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    37. You also need to take into consideration the size of the countries you are talking about
    Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 12:33 PM by Marrah_G
    To get a real idea you would need to look at the population, the number of mass school shootings and the number of years you are talking about.

    Since I am at work at the moment I don't have time to check all the numbers.



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    yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 03:14 PM
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    42. I think Australia has one tenth the population of the US. Britain maybe a third or fifth
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    Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 03:23 PM
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    44. It has never happened in Puerto Rico
    and I can't think of any Latin American country except for Mexico that has had a case like these.
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