So it begins....big bad tough-ass sitting in a chair criticizes student response to shootings

fox news | Freeplancer

Found this doozy on FR... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1818690/posts
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Posted on 04/17/2007 7:39:36 AM PDT by freeplancer

First there was Salt Lake City, and now Virgian Tech. Trey Perkins, a 19 year old student who is now on fox News spewed his story about being in the same room as the gunman while he reloaded his weapons at least once. Did he get up and charge the gunman with reckless abandon to save his fellow students? NO

When the SLC shooting took place, the local news broadcast a cell video of the shooter discharging his weapons. While the owner of the cell phone stood there and filmed the shooter, who coincidently had his back to the camera, he did nothing. Cowards, bystanders, and wimps. I am ashamed and disgusted. Maybe it is my military training or having being in a war zone that makes me know I would take action or die trying.

I would not be jumping out of windows or filming a murderer in action, and I hope to God that whoever reads this would not either. Where are all the men?

My ass would not be charging that psycho unless I had a REALLY SUREFIRE opening to disarm the guy. Otherwise, I would have hidden or ran.

I guess it's hard for freepers to understand that some of us actually LIKE being alive.

Who the hell do you think you are? A fetus or something?

been here. if you take time to think about what to do you've done missed your window for a chance to do something

Tough guy. Most people, unless trained for combat are going to run away from danger.

If you heard gunshots are you going to think of Columbine, where there may be a few assailants,
and run or are you going to be superhero GOPig and save the day?

The police probably have a different take on this than Joe Tough Guy.

but I think possibly the best way to do that in that situation is to help other people instead of trying to be a dead hero.

One person today said his friend was killed in the shootings yesterday but when questioned he stammered out some reply like he was making up shit. There are tons of callers who say they just got back from Iraq and support the war and the liberals are hurting the morale of the troops.

The right has no qualms about making up facts to support their agendas.

I truly am a Viet Nam Vet. There are no hero's, you fight out of fear and you are affraid every moment and everyday. Death scares the hell out of you, vengeance is a must if your friend is killed or maimed. Nothing is pretty, everything is ugly, you think of saving your own skin and those in your squad not of america like some got damn movie. All we wanted to do was get the hell out of there and come home in one piece. So don't give me that crap about what you would or what you could have done in certain situation. "YOU DON'T F_ _ KING KNOW until it happens to you what you would do.

On edit:

I use to be really pissed off that I was put in that position. I was drafted and never supported the war. I did not put my life in any more danger than I absolutely had to.

I'm going to be 62 and I am finally beginning to come to grips with this. A lot of the threads on this board are helping with that. This is one of them. It's a little bit comforting to know there are others of us around.

So that, in freeper speak, is a Tech that has never been laid? Hell, we had one of those in our IT department.

What a prick. If I am recalling my news reports, the Trey referenced had a gunshot wound of his own to deal with.

Don't you know that this guy has "being" in a war zone? He's a war hero! </sarcasm>

Perkins said he went around the room, tending to the wounded students. A student named Garrett was shot in both legs. Perkins wrapped his gray pullover sweater around Garrett's right leg.

Perkins used Garrett's tank top to wrap the other leg. Perkins saw a sweat shirt on a desk and covered the girl with the mouth wound


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/16/AR2007041601810_2.html

which he did.

shut the FUCK up!

I have been on the wrong end of a gun, and I can tell you that being a hero looks a lot easier on tv than it is in real life.

What a fucking asshole!!!

on edit: okay, so he's been "in a war zone"....that doesn't mean that he's really been face to face with a weapon. I stand by my initial comments.

Conservatives are the worst form of cowards and blowhards. They are always braver when another person's blood is on the line.


Examples: Bush/Cheney + all the GOPigs that aren't rushing to enlist and serve in Eye-Wrack.

Very dangerous....Especially when you add the creamy filling into the mix.

and the cops were already there....

They're suggesting, in effect, that the REAL manly man out of the whole bunch was the psychopath doing the shooting.

Soldiers are trained to cover and return fire, first. You only charge someone like that when have a chance. If he's reloading, and IF you are close enough to get there in time, then maybe you'd try a Hollywood stunt like that. Otherwise you get your ass out of the line of fire if you don't have a weapon.

I'd give odds that Mr. feeplancer is a bit too young to have served and has spent his wasted youth watching way too much TV.

reloading a clip in a glock. You pop it out, you pop another one back in. They are made to load quickly. Too much on the action movies for Freeplancer.

or I would gladly attach the link.

Besides, my brain seems to atrophy just reading the posts. I can't imagine what would happen if I actually had to respond to them as well.

That's typical Dice Clay sort of thing. :rofl:

There is a mindset to adopt when faced with a dangerous and critical situation like this. Gavin DeBecker wrote about it in one of his books about personal safety, but he was talking about events such as a kidnapper and a lone woman. Anyway, part of the mindset of deciding to fight back has to do with seeing a realistic expectation of surviving, but also getting hurt, perhaps badly, and being ready to face the pain. This requires personal preparation, and I wouldn't expect very many of the college students to be prepared in this way.

This idiot freeper has had plenty of time to think about all the people he hates and imagines would like to do personal harm to him.

Or, the slaves for not resisting slavery.

Armchair heroes.

so crazy Cho could have put three in him with his backup. Then we would have one less fake macho posturing asshole in the world. Hey, that's no good! you might say, but it's a start at least.

...who barricaded the door so his students could escape, and died in the effort? "Where are all the men"?? There's one.

:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

I can't believe the nerve of these people. I read the whole thread, and I hoped that at least some people would have the sense to not blame the victims, especially when they have no training, experience, and weren't prepared, while at the same time THE GUNNER WAS FUCKING SHOOTING DIRECTLY AT THEM.:mad::mad::mad::mad:

These armchair warriors are definitely not real men.

It's funny how one of the videos they posted, is mocking they're own ignorance. I guess they are just too stupid to even realize it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=isdhEDWXg4I

...who tried to escape or were paralyzed with shock. None of us know how we would react in a situation like that until we've actually been in it. (I always thought I would kick the living shit out of anyone who came at me with a knife; when it actually happened to me, all I did was scream at him to get lost and managed to run him off, but I don't know how well I would have fought him off if he'd kept coming.) I was just majorly impressed to read about that professor. I know you were referring to the OP and not to my reply; just wanted to clarify.

Somehow I'm always most saddened when a teacher/professor gets killed in one of these rampages. They've dedicated their lives to education, for minimal pay, and they in no way deserve such a "reward."

I should have been more clear, sorry about that

I just wanted to add a few more thoughts of my own. I quite agree with you.

... these idiots seem to confuse their little computer escapades with actual military service.

I have been deployed and with a pretty hefty military training to boot, I would never expect civilians to put themselves at risk, because honestly they would have made things worse. No one should be ever have to be trained to know what to do in these situations, because if we have to start training civilians to deal with random killing sprees, then it means that we as a society have failed.

Freepers don't know what it means to suffer.

I guess they're all sitting in their mom's basement stuffing their faces with Cheeto's and making asinine comments on freerepublic instead of patrolling the streets of Iraq.