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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:26 AM Original message |
Where the Girls are, and are not... |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. oh my, dont get me started. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:41 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I remember when the Jansen Art history text had NO art by women. Then a fur-lined cup and saucer |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. and we are 51 percent of the pop. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. The Wash post has ONLY 4 female op-ed writers out of over 30. The NYDNews has NO women on the op-ed |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. and the NEWS on TV...ever see old women doing the news? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:16 AM Response to Reply #8 |
20. see Christine Craft's story |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
67. And please |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
191. "YOU can model for ME, I told him." BWAHAHAHA, Good comeback! |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
13. I remember that exact piece in my Jansen, and noticing how few women were represented. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:07 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I remember Lady Bird Johnson insisted that a Mary Cassatt painting be displayed in the WH. nt |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
141. Ah, then that might explain the timing of this stamp |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #13 |
47. I've got a Jansen text from the early 80s ... I'll have to see what's in there by women. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
3. They're also represented in the healthcare debate by Olympia Snowe. That's about it. nt |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #3 |
150. ...and Nancy Pelosi. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #150 |
166. She's not writing policy. She's said she's 'for' a PO, but that's it. nt |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
4. preach it! And rec'd to over-write someone's unrec |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I volunteer with a veterans group. First woman to do that. So, I understand why that is, |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:02 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Thats much of why, when women get older, they become invisible |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:10 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Some women, the ones that are not considered attractive by society's standards, |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #16 |
32. Indeed. Opposite of the 'Halo' effect. Susan Boyles of the World Unite! |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 01:32 AM Response to Reply #16 |
81. Men will often say we women have it made. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #81 |
107. LOL... spot on. :) (nt) |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #81 |
119. I think the men who say that are actually referring to themselves - |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #81 |
161. perfect deconstruction. |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
77. You are spot on, Mari333 |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #77 |
105. not to me!! I see you! you are a genius too! |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
192. That is really sad, I greatly respect older women, probaly because I grew up surrounded by them. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Women are just as sexist as men. Just different. This isn't a rap against men at all. Thanks for |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
9. K&R |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
10. k&r |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
12. somewhere else they aren't |
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badgerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:11 AM Original message |
Women are not a commodity. |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
28. Sadly, I've known women who clearly have no problem with being a commodity. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #28 |
38. The 5'10" 120 lb. Ralph Lauren model was fired for being fat. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #28 |
45. I think women become more beautiful after 30. Even after 40. |
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Morning Dew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #45 |
156. or older |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #156 |
174. Why should it matter? |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #28 |
68. You sound like my kind of gal! |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Murdoch and the other boyz |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Deleted sub-thread |
Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #68 |
152. I have a little girl, too. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
193. Heh, I think brains make a woman more attractive. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
37. When we stop .... WE. yes, i agree. it always has to be within. yes. nt |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
17. The Captain is awake... Thanks! |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Bright-eyed and bushy-tailed this morning! |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
18. I'm a man so my perspective is a little different.. And I'm not really an artist either |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Didn't they heave their demo tape over a producer's fence? I think so. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
36. So much of success in many fields boils down to being in the right place at the right time.. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Walter Mattau said being successful took a lot of hard work at 40 lucky breaks. |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
19. I teach a film course at a local college. I show movie clips in class |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. You sit through the previews today and women are, at best, peripheral. Julie and Julia |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #19 |
31. And I'll also note that when they did the TV show about the woman president... |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #31 |
117. the public also wants tall men as president |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 10:35 PM Response to Reply #117 |
143. Yes, folks made fun of Dukakis and GWB wore lifts in debates with Gore and Kerry. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
56. Steel Magnolias, Beaches, Thelma and Louise. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #19 |
63. One recent exception to that rule.. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 08:25 AM Response to Reply #19 |
91. French films -- despite the sexist culture there are great woman-centered films! |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #91 |
129. Thank you, I'll check those out. NT |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
21. Women in Web Design are under-represented as well |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Same with Print Design. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #21 |
46. I agree. That was my former job (well, usability specialist). |
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TxRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #21 |
93. Hmm, I've only hired 2 "web designers" both Women. |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #93 |
180. I'm not saying we don't get hired or that we don't get work |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
23. That is brilliant. My favorite part: |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. People who are sensitive enough to pay attention are often also non-confrontational. |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. oh yeah! +1 |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Teaching college, it was so difficult to get female students to speak up in class. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #23 |
33. My favorite line also. Thanks for pointing it out for the folks here. nt |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
25. Also, a woman's place is in the kitchen unless it's to be a chef |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:41 AM Original message |
VAST majority of grievance suits filed by students at the U I taught were male students against |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
40. Is there not an alternate explanation for that phenomenon? n/t |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. It's what I was told by the university. Female professors are targeted more. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. There's certainly a sexist streak in society. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
58. False equivalency on an uneven playing field. nt |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Please elaborate. n/t |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 11:51 PM Response to Reply #42 |
80. lumberjack_jeff, you love to point out all the problems men have in society. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #80 |
104. Women promulgate destructive forms of the patriarchy too. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #104 |
108. Indeed they do. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #108 |
188. I think the point of the article is that it is pre-reflective in all of us. nt |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #104 |
121. As individuals, yes women absolutely do promulgate destructive forms of patriarchy |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #121 |
195. The safey thing is interesting. |
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Threedifferentones (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #80 |
133. "Fault?" |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #133 |
139. When looking at men and women as individuals |
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Threedifferentones (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #139 |
170. You are correct of course |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #42 |
149. I don't think Cpt. Hilt's experience had anything to do with male concern for safety. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #149 |
160. Me neither. (nt) |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #149 |
196. Yikes, that's scary! |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Just the evidence on DU that women are targeted more (and more crudely) is enough for me. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. The Washington Post said that female columnists get more - and angrier - criticism. nt |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I'll bet. Males feel that have a right to criticize women, while they may be more careful with men |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Yes! Women are also more comfortable criticizing women than men. nt |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #52 |
151. yes, and it's safer to unload on women. We don't retaliate. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
197. And female columnists get flamed with misogynistic slurs. |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #41 |
62. Stories like that are way more common than they should be. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 08:40 AM Response to Reply #62 |
98. Yes. Thank you. My biking buddy was fascinated by it. nt |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #62 |
153. have a look at my little anecdote! |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
78. "Everybody is more at ease criticizing women.' |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:06 AM Response to Original message |
88. Criticizing women-- |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #88 |
99. A recent survey in Britain showed that the top 10 most hated celebs list was |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #99 |
155. indeed. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 08:48 AM Response to Reply #155 |
173. The Wash Post this morning has a cartoon showing how THE most hated Republicans and Dems are women. |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #173 |
176. well, that's interesting.... is the point of the cartoon to |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #176 |
178. Yes, that is the point. There are two women talking about how they're all on ONE side. nt |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #178 |
184. Far out! Sounds like an Ann Telnaes (sp?) cartoon..... |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #25 |
35. well I would LOVE to see your beautiful creations! nt |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. Here are a couple of my drawings |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. +1 |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #50 |
71. thank you!!!! |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 06:55 AM Response to Reply #71 |
84. Mari333 |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:53 AM Response to Reply #84 |
89. no. lol. maybe someday. nt |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #71 |
159. good work! |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #50 |
158. I LIKE!! |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
132. I've noticed this before about cooking |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
43. rap |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
69. Seabeyond, thanks for bringing up the sistas! |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 04:34 AM Response to Reply #69 |
82. The Money Quote: |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #82 |
130. Yep, that is definitely the money quote. I actually clapped and yelled when I read that in the OP. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #69 |
116. from what i understand, the women rappers were the counter to anti female of male rappers |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #69 |
124. Us white girls that don't listen to rap are reluctant to bring up this issue. nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #43 |
198. The disgusting, misogynistic shit in rap music is horrible. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
44. Bingo. |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
51. It's not just women themselves -- it's also women's concerns |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. big-dickery |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #51 |
157. yep. It's interesting to study big-dickery and how it manifests in more mundane aspects. |
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mimitabby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
53. woman artist here |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. In academia - like the phonebook - women use initials to downplay their sex. nt |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 06:58 AM Response to Reply #55 |
85. phonebook |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
134. George Eliot back in the day... |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
60. Same for people of color |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #60 |
97. Yes, that is often the case. nt |
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busybl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
64. I remember Yoko Ono's statement, now politically incorrect |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #64 |
135. It's powerful and true in part because it's offensive |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #64 |
185. Here's the Lennon song: |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
65. We used Gardner's Art Through the Ages. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Your work is very nice. I like it (I'm an artist too) |
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Lucky Luciano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
66. I am no artist or poet (quite the polar opposite as a mathematician) |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 10:06 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. I'm a writer and a teacher of science students, both young women and young men.. |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
75. Drew Faust- First woman President of Harvard. |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Look up the women of ENIAC - many of the first programmers were women |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:01 AM Response to Reply #79 |
87. programmers |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #87 |
112. 'zactly. Sheesh. n/t |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 10:37 PM Response to Reply #79 |
144. Read up on Grace Hopper of the USN. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 07:37 AM Response to Reply #144 |
148. Hopper was on the Letterman show. She was great. nt |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #79 |
194. Same thing happened with movie editing and psychology. nt nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #79 |
199. Don't forget Rosalind Franklin, the REAL disoverer of the structure of DNA. |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
76. As a writer and poet *and* someone in a male-dominated technical field ... DO NOT get me started.... |
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TxRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #76 |
95. Software field is pretty absent of women |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #95 |
115. absent women |
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Brooklyns_Finest (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #115 |
138. Sorry To hear this |
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zoff (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 05:27 AM Response to Original message |
83. Long Live The Kop! ... |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:00 AM Response to Original message |
86. This seems just another way of dividing us. |
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pmorlan1 (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 08:18 AM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Disagree |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 08:33 AM Response to Reply #90 |
94. I am not talking about confronting issues or the truth. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #94 |
101. The point has been made here repeatedly that women are participants in this situation. nt |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #101 |
128. As victim? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #128 |
154. Reading is comprehending. The article and the comments here not that women are complicit |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #154 |
168. OK I gotcha. |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #128 |
162. I don't believe that oppression of women is always due to PURPOSEFUL misogyny. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #162 |
167. It's pre-reflective. We don't even know we're doing it. nt |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #162 |
169. So what your are trying to change is a mind. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #86 |
92. Let me guess. You're a man. |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Yes I am, and therefore the enemy. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #96 |
103. I don't think men are the enemy |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #103 |
110. Ignorant men are the enemy. n/t |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #110 |
126. No ignorant people are the problem. |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #103 |
125. Well I don't know the reason for that. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 03:05 AM Response to Reply #125 |
146. Just let's keep the women barefoot and pregnant while doing so! |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 04:53 AM Response to Reply #146 |
147. Oh for gods sake......n/t |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #96 |
182. No, tell the truth about the genders and find some men feeling sorry for THEMSELVES. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 08:48 AM Response to Reply #86 |
100. That division is already there. Women are just as bad as men are. Take the health care debate |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #100 |
106. Both my senators and my governor are women. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #106 |
114. If I have to point out that you're the only state that can say that....nt |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 10:03 AM Response to Reply #100 |
109. Well... there's also Nancy Pelosi. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #109 |
113. She's basically reactive though, isn't she? nt |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #113 |
122. Is that an exception somehow? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Yes, as speaker, I think that's been the role for her at this point. Not a slam on Pelosi. nt |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #100 |
140. I dunno. I have a feeling that if more women leaders than men were talking about it. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #140 |
145. I'd LOVE to give you an argument to the contrary...but I can't. nt |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #86 |
111. I can see how you'd get that impression. But that is not the case. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #86 |
136. Let's play a game |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #136 |
163. I shared several personal experiences here, because the personal is political |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #163 |
165. I think women's professional organizations are important |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 08:52 AM Response to Reply #136 |
175. I overheard an Army officer and two men talking about Hillary Clinton on Cap. Hill restaurant |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #175 |
187. Exactly |
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backtoblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
102. I didn't get here in time to rec this, but thank you. |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #102 |
131. Agree. Just saw this. |
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Eliminate_Capital (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
118. Did I miss something? |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
120. To be clear, Arts organizations are the moral equivalent of the KKK |
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PM Martin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #120 |
200. What do you mean by that? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
127. Deleted message |
Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
137. Just throwing this out... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #137 |
142. Yes, religion rarely serves women all that well when it comes to being decision-makers or leaders.nt |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #137 |
171. You're right of course. |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
164. ttt |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
172. kick |
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Mrs. Overall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
177. Absolutely true. I am a writer and an editor at an all women run press-- |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #177 |
179. How would they know a poet is over 50? |
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Mrs. Overall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #179 |
183. Usually a writer submits a full bio--and, often, women poets who are older |
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SallyMander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
181. Here is some data from my field, biology |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
186. Here's a female artist most people have never heard of: |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
189. Wow, that is disgusting |
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190. K&R |
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