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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 07:54 PM
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Subprime and the Banks: Guilty as Charged
Subprime and the Banks: Guilty as Charged
http://executivesuite.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/14/subprime-and-the-banks-guilty-as-charged/?hp

Last weekend, after the column was published, an angry mortgage broker — someone who felt she and her ilk were being unfairly scapegoated by the banking industry — sent me a series of rather eye-opening documents. They were a series of fliers and advertisements that had been sent to her office (and mortgage brokers all over the country) from JPMorgan Chase, advertising their latest wares. They were dated 2005, which was before the subprime mortgage boom got completely out of control. They’re still pretty sobering.

“The Top 10 Reasons to Choose Chase for All Your Subprime Needs,” screams the headline on the first one. Another was titled, “Chase No Doc,” and described the criteria for a borrower to receive a so-called no-document loan. “Got Bank Statements?” asked a third flier. “Get Approved!” In a number of the fliers, Chase makes it clear to the mortgage brokers that the bank doesn’t need income or job verification — it just needs to look at a handful of old bank statements.

“There were mortgage brokers who acted unethically, absolutely,” my source told me when I called her on Monday. (She asked to remain anonymous because she still has to work with JPMorgan Chase and the other big banks.) “But where do you think mortgage brokers were getting the subprime mortgages they were selling to customers? From the big banks, that’s where. Chase, Wells Fargo, Bank of America — they were all doing it.”

So enough already about how the banks weren’t the problem. Of course they were. Here’s the evidence, right here. Read ’em and weep.


Here's the link to that evidence:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/executivesuite/ChaseFlyer.pdf
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 07:55 PM
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1. And the penalty will be....HAVE SOME MORE MONEY!
I'm not a bit bitter, no.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 07:58 PM
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2. And no redlining. n/t
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 08:03 PM
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3. We had a VP from Citimortgage in our office telling us how to lie and make up ..
Edited on Wed Oct-14-09 08:04 PM by Hassin Bin Sober
... income amounts on stated income loans. "Go on salary dot com to get an idea for what sounds reasonable. Don't worry, we won't pull a 4506" ( a 4506 is an IRS document the customer signs authorizing the bank to pull tax return transcripts).
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 08:12 PM
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4. 2005 is when they started with the credit default swaps
They knew then that the subprime mortgage was a bad investment. Scroll down to this 2005 article that talks about the new trading strategies. There's another article in the WSJ that lays it out even clearer, that I'll keep looking for. These people knew exactly what they were doing. ALL of them.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB112485097747721533.html
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 08:37 PM
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6. 1999 Sen. Dorgan (D-ND) - "we will look back in 10 years' time and say we should not have done this"
And check this from a comment on MarketWatch:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/jp-morgan-profit-jumps-past-estimates-2009-10-14

The market reaction to the JPM results should be read as a knee jerk reaction. A closer look at the press release at

http://investor.shareholder.com/jpmorganchase/press/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=415531

shows that nonperforming loans increased to $20.4 billion at 9/30/09 from $9.5 billion at 9/30/08. The amount recognized for potential losses or the provision for loan losses for the period has been only $3.1 billion.

While no one knows exactly how many of the nonperforming loans or now performing loans will turn into losses, the clear trend is that the charge off rate or rate of losses has increased. It is quite likely that there are significant losses to come.


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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 08:51 PM
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7. Here's another article
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/09/business/09insider.html?pagewanted=print

Some hedge funds actually hedged from the start. In July 2005, TPG-Axon, a $7.5 billion hedge fund founded by a former Goldman Sachs trader, Dinakar Singh, invested $100 million in ResMae Financial Corporation, a residential mortgage originator and servicer. In February, ResMae filed for bankruptcy protection. (An affiliate of Citadel Investment Group has since agreed to buy the remains.)

TPG-Axon, however, also bet against the subprime sector to offset its exposure from the Resmae position, said a person briefed on the fund. TPG-Axon funds are up about 6 percent through February.


But the more nuanced tale in the subprime meltdown is that of Scion Capital, a $700 million hedge fund in Cupertino, Calif., founded by a former neurologist, Michael J. Burry. The fund made a smart bet — but one that was early and nearly brought the fund to the brink.

Scion Capital is a long-short value hedge fund, meaning that it looks for undervalued and overvalued stocks and bets for them or shorts them, betting the price will fall.

In May 2005, Mr. Burry decided that the housing market was overheated. Credit had been overextended and the appreciation in home prices had the earmarks of a bubble. He placed a bet that the subprime market would collapse.

To do so, he used credit derivatives to short — bet against — subprime mortgage tranches that are part of mortgage-backed securities. The derivatives were essentially insurance against a default, so he would make money when subprime started to deteriorate.

Mr. Burry ultimately entered into eight credit derivative agreements that effectively shorted the riskiest parts of subprime mortgage pools issued in 2005. That investment, which looks smart today, hurt the performance of the overall fund as the subprime market continued to hum.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 09:06 PM
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8. An unintended consequence of that tranching......
http://thebellwetherdaily.blogspot.com/2007/11/cleveland-federal-judge-dismisses-32.html

O'Malley said she was enforcing a specific requirement of the federal court rules that demand detailed information about the identities of lenders -- and the history of a loan -- involved in foreclosure actions. She said a review of cases pending before her showed that some of the plaintiffs seeking foreclosure have not been directly named in the loan documents that are at the heart of the cases filed in Cleveland. O'Malley said she wanted to see the complete history of a loan.

"A foreclosure plaintiff, therefore, especially one who is not identified on the note and/or mortgage at issue, must attach to its complaint documentation demonstrating that it is the owner and holder of the note and mortgage upon which suit was filed. In other words, a foreclosure plaintiff must provide documentation that it is the owner and holder of the note and mortgage as of the date the foreclosure action is filed."

O'Malley said the court recognizes that mortgages are often transferred, sold or end up with others than the originating lender. But she said the federal courts want the entire chain of a mortgage's history, from its start to where it was when it went into default.

"To the extent a note and mortgage are no longer held by the originating lender, a plaintiff must appropriately document the chain of ownership to demonstrate its legal status vis-a-vis the items at the time it files suit on those items. Appropriate 'documentation' includes, but is not limited to, trust and/or assignment documents before the action was commenced, or both as circumstances may require."


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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 05:43 AM
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12. They actually created a market for bad loans.
Here you have an eyewitness in a post above talking about a direct bank employee advocating falsifying incomes in order to sell mortgages to people who obviously would not be able to maintain them.

Money was made with fees with the loan was "originated" plus assorted other banking fees. Money was made when the mortgage was sold. Money was made when the mortgage failed (due to the credit default swaps).

And remember that even people with no actual investment could "bet" on the outcomes by buying credit default swaps.

BAD MORTGAGES were a commodity in and of themselves. This is FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 08:17 PM
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5. knr nt
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 09:09 PM
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9. And many of the people who bought those loans are happy in their homes. There has not be a 100%

failure in subprime mortgages.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 09:12 PM
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10. I get it....
"...the bank doesn’t need income or job verification..."

....they figured out how profit from the crashing of the housing market, and then they crashed the housing market....easy, just like shooting fish in a barrel....
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 03:05 AM
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11. NoDoc loans. Wonder how much longer until even NoPulse loans would have been issued!
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:08 AM
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13. Who's arguing the banks weren't the problem?
Seriously.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 05:51 PM
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14. All those right-wingers and moderates blaming ACORN and over-zealous wanna-be homeowners.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:09 PM
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15. K&R
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 08:04 PM
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16. Jamie Dimon recently said he wished he'd quit accepting loans from brokers much sooner.
What he doesn't mention is the internal Chase memo that was circulated instructing their retail loan officers and brokers in the most effective ways to game the system (automated underwriting).

http://www.cnbc.com/id/23842458
The memo was entitled "Zippy Cheats & Tricks" and read, in part...
1. Make sure you input all income in base income. DO NOT break it down by overtime, commissions or bonus.

2. If your borrower is getting a gift, add it to a bank account along with the rest of the assets. Be sure to remove any mention of gift funds.

3. If you do not get (the desired results), try resubmitting with slightly higher income. Inch it up $500 to see if you can get the findings you want. Do the same for assets."

So they show everyone under the sun how to cheat and make more loans with Chase while blaming brokers?
Brokers do not create loan products (no doc, stated income, NINJA "no-income-no-job-(no)assets", etc).
Brokers do not underwrite loans or sell the loans on the secondary market for huge profits.

Meanwhile, brokers are a vanishing breed of small business.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 08:24 PM
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17. Can't help but be reminded of an email "debate" w/some Freepers at a mortgage broker a few yrs ago>>
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 08:26 PM by Roland99
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2032131#2032145

yeah....greasing the economy's wheels alright.



dumbfucks.



A family friend worked for them (and his wife, too) and he told me some of the stuff they'd do to put people into a mortgage. People with iffy credit would get very high interest rates (11-12% when going for a 30-year fixed was 6-7%) and they'd charge them several thousand dollars in fees just for originating the loan. People would be upside down on their house from the get-go even if they were putting down a small down payment!
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