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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 09:59 PM
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Arctic ice cap to disappear in 20-30 years: study
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091014/ts_afp/britaincanadaarcticclimateenvironmentscience

Arctic ice cap to disappear in 20-30 years: study
AFP

LONDON (AFP) – The Arctic ice cap will disappear completely in summer months within 20 to 30 years, a polar research team said as they presented findings from an expedition led by adventurer Pen Hadow.

It is likely to be largely ice-free during the warmer months within a decade, the experts added.

Veteran polar explorer Hadow and two other Britons went out on the Arctic ice cap for 73 days during the northern spring, taking more than 6,000 measurements and observations of the sea ice.

The raw data they collected from March to May has been analysed, producing some stark predictions about the state of the ice cap.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 10:07 PM
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1. Goodbye Atlantic thermohaline
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 10:21 PM
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2. Welcome to the Big Freeze? Yikes. nt
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 10:29 PM
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5. Certainly Europe will have a big freeze
I don't know how the rest of the world will be.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 10:22 PM
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3. Up till now all their predictions have been too conservative, so make that 10 years. nt
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 10:23 PM
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4. That is very very startling. n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 10:30 PM
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6. k&r
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 10:36 PM
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7. How about a BIG HAND for global warming!
washington d.c is only a decade or so away from being underwater.



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bigmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 11:21 PM
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14. If the Arctic ice cap melts, the seas won't rise.
That ice is already floating, so no sea level change if it melts. It's the ice that's on land (Greenland, the glaciers worldwide, and Antarctica) whose melting will cause the sea levels to rise, compensated somewhat by a corresponding rebound of the land that the ice in those places used to sit on.

Just clarifying about that specific thing, not happy. :-)
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 10:47 PM
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8. Well, that's about when China becomes the #1 superpower.
Let them deal with it.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 10:51 PM
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9. Can't we just
tell all the kids of conservative climate change deniers that Santa's workshop we be under water if their parents don't do anything. That way, they'll be forced to do something unless they want to reveal to their little ones that their ain't no "Santee Claus.":evilgrin: I don't know...its late and I am fresh out of ideas.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 10:57 PM
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10. And then what?
I have moved beyond what is happening, to what it will be like after it all comes to fruition. It's quite worrisome.

The combination of population and modern living (aka petroleum combustion) have brought the specie to a precipice. It's an interesting combination of the rate of growth of a biological colony combined with it's intelligent design and use of engineered devices. Ultimately causing a rapid decline in the environment. Weird. Phenomenal. And for me, highly distressing over a number of decades.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 11:00 PM
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11. If this doesn't happen, will anyone remember the prediction?
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 11:53 PM
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16. If it doesn't happen, that will be solid proof of global warming.
That's how it works: if the ice melts it's due to Global Warming, if it doesn't melt then it's due to Global Warming. Whatever happens, we'll need more money for Global Warming. It's quite handy.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 11:57 PM
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17. the words of a true
denier
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 08:20 PM
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21. What will it mean if it doesn't happen?
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 11:02 PM
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12. Buncha cockeyed optimists!
:evilgrin:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:19 AM
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20. Exactly
n/t
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 11:21 PM
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13. Welcome to Sunny Canada. Enjoy the palm trees, the arctic freeways building boom,
the dead acidic ocean & the feedback loop that promises no limit on temperatures when you remove the white that reflects sunlight. Now Canada absorbs sunlight, and the blacker Canada gets, the more it will absorb.

Cheers
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 11:51 PM
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15. What a bunch of visionless whiners we have here.
A complete or near complete melt will allow all kinds of things to happen which haven't been possible in this civilization cycle. If this is going to happen then it's going to happen, the only question will be if we are prepared to take advantage of the opportunities it presents.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:08 AM
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18. You're right! I'm switching parties and aiming to become a sunblock tycoon.
It's kind of like being that guy on the Titanic who dressed as a woman to get off the ship before it sank.

Invest. Invest. Invest. The opportunities are limitless.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:13 AM
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19. Atlantis is down there.
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