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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 10:50 PM
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Brumby: It would be 'unsettling' to think of trans woman's 'male sexual organs'
Edited on Wed Oct-14-09 10:50 PM by ccharles000
http://www.sovo.com/thelatest/thelatest.cfm?blog_id=27562

The May 11 deposition of Georgia Legislative Counsel Sewell Brumby was filed on Sept. 24 as part of a lawsuit by Lamdba Legal on behalf of Vandy Beth Glenn. Glenn is a former editor in Brumby’s office

A recently filed deposition is shedding new light on the discrimination lawsuit filed against legislative leaders by a transgender woman who was fired from her job as an editor for the Georgia General Assembly.

who was fired after she announced her intentions to transition from male to female. Brumby is named in the lawsuit along with Speaker of the House Glenn Richardson, Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle and Senate Pro-Tem Eric Johnson.

Filed in U.S. District Court, Glenn’s lawsuit claims the state violated the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guaranteeing equal protection, in part because firing Glenn disregarded her need to undergo gender transition as part of necessary treatment after she was diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder.

During the deposition, Brumby describes Glenn, who is referred to in court documents by her pre-transition name of Glenn Morrison, as not being very good at her job and not particularly well-liked. Brumby said several times that Glenn’s transition would have been disruptive to his workplace.

“I think it would have been, I suppose, an unusual and notorious event. And I think when unusual and notorious events happen in the workplace it distracts the people in that workplace and takes away from the performance of their job duties,” he said.

Although the legislative cousel office has four one-stall gender-neutral bathrooms, Brumby was concerned about what would happen if Glenn were to use one of the public women’s bathrooms. He also expressed personal concerns about his reactions to Glenn’s transition.
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 10:55 PM
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1. "an unusual and notorious event"? No shortage of BS, 'eh Brumby?
On that basis you could fire someone for having a flat tire on their car.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 10:56 PM
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2. It always comes down to where you potty.
But all I can say is "why?"
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 11:21 PM
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3. Because people don't take the time to process strange things to familiar.
It just bounces across the brain like those plastic coin separators, and lands in "WEIRD ALERT!!!!".....

If this Brumby person were to actually sit down and compare this situation to other people and places over his lifetime, then he wouldn't be having this reaction. But because he isn't thinking, he's reacting, he's reacting badly.

Which is not to say that if he were only smarter or better educated then he would agree with and accept transgender persons on their own terms and as they understand it. It's to say that he would realize that treating a transgendered person with respect and accommodation , even a minimum socially acceptable level, isn't a huge leap from what most well mannered people manage on a regular basis, even with the unfamiliar person or circumstance.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 11:21 PM
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4. It helps if you stop thinking about them all the time.
Edited on Wed Oct-14-09 11:22 PM by kenny blankenship
They aren't going to jump out of her skirt and strangle you, youknow? For one thing, while Vandy is on heavy doses of female hormones, the alarming organs are fairly inert and retiring. That can be disturbing to think about in itself, but it's not something you have to fear. Besides what does it really have to do with you, Mr Brumby? You weren't going to ever need to interact with her bits and pieces in the first place, right?
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 11:39 PM
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5. Exactly. These bigots are obsessed with genitals.
That's why this freaks them out - they can't stop thinking about it. But that is THEIR problem, and shouldn't extend to the workplace.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:36 AM
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7. And if he can't stop thinking about them, my advice to him would be to face his fear
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 01:50 AM by kenny blankenship
I'm pretty sure shrinks would say that M2F transsexuals induce "castration anxiety" in men, or at least many men. They say they find it "disturbing" and "unsettling" to think about someone changing their sex, or they use other expressions like "it just makes me queasy, etc." Further descriptions are useless, as it's something very elemental and impossible to communicate.

So, if I were the Judge in the case, I would be tempted to require Mr. Brumby to look at transsexual pornography. Lots of it.

Counselor Brumby has an issue to work through and it's his problem. It should not become a burden to anyone else like Vandy Glenn. As an employer or manager, Mr. Brumby needs to face the object of his fear and desensitize himself to the idea and the presence of transgendered people. Transgendered people may enter the daily life of his office as either workers or clients. Since he is transphobic, there is nothing like the sight of naked male genitals, softened from estro therapy, on a otherwise female form that can activate his castration anxiety to quite the same degree. But you can become used to anything given enough time and exposure. So hopefully after completing the desensitization treatment, say after a year or two of looking at transsexual bodies displayed as beautiful and desirable, Mr. Brumby will no longer be shocked and disturbed by the sight of his trans employee(s). Maybe he will still be inwardly disgusted but he will have mastered his aversions to transsexuals. Maybe through desensitization he will even be able to see them as ordinary human beings with ordinary problems and aspirations. Maybe he will propose marriage to Ms. Glenn. Maybe she will tell him to jump off a bridge. However that works out, justice will have been served by allowing Vandy Glenn to retain her job, and some court appointed psychiatrists will have got some paychecks for a couple of years while working over Mr. Brumby's snarled up sex drive.

Court Mandated Shemale Porn Therapy (CMSPT) for uptight conservative bastards is not merely the correct and just conclusion to Vandy Glenn's lawsuit, it's a better way forward for America.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 11:44 PM
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6. so don't think about them, you little perv
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:57 AM
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8. Why is it any more "unsettling" than thinking about anyone else's naughty bits?
Who thinks about the genitalia of other people, unless they are planning to have sex with them, perform medical or hygienic care for them, or they are REALLY close friends and one is showing off a piercing?!

I can go days, weeks, months even, without trying to imagine the naughty bits of coworkers. WTF is wrong with people?!

The world needs a big steaming mug of Mind Your Own Fucking Business.

Tucker
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