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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 05:05 PM
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Poor People VS. Environment
Here it is.....a conflict between two competing interests.

Will DU and other "progressives" step up of behalf of poor people? Or will this be one more case of more affluent "progressives" ignoring the needs of those who have little?
http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/15/must-the-poor-pay-for-our-environmental-sins/

"But here is the heart of the moral issue for many of us. Simply put, those around the world who have contributed least to global warming and climate change will be the most and first to be impacted by the consequences of it all. Sadly, it’s an old story. We, the affluent, create the problem, and the poor pay the price for our sins. It is wrong, and it is a sin -- ours.

"Yet the amount of money to help poor people and countries mitigate or adapt to climate changes being proposed in this legislation is not nearly enough (through the emissions “cap and trade” penalties that wealthy countries would have to pay). The numbers are not clear yet in your bill, but the amount of funds directed toward “adaptations” for the poorest countries in the House bill (which came before the Senate bill) is pitiful -- really pitiful. It is wholly and woefully inadequate.

"This is such an important issue for us that some in the faith community are considering not supporting this bill at all. They have called me to say that they might not support the final bill unless you do much better in the Senate. So if you hear anything from us today, hear that. Your Senate bill must do better -- much better -- for the poorest of God’s children.

There are always concessions and money for other important constituencies -- all more powerful than poor people. The bill is full of those concessions to other special interests. I know you say you don’t have the votes. And we know that the global poor are not on the agenda of U.S. domestic politics. But they are on God’s agenda, and therefore on ours. And we ask you today to put the global poor back on the agenda of this climate bill.
http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/15/must-the-poor-pay-for-our-environmental-sins/

When I feed the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why so many people are poor they call me a communist.
- Dom Helder Câmara, late archbishop of the Brazilian diocese of Olinda and Recife. Wednesday, Oct. 13 was the 10th anniversary of his death. (Source: Guardian)
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 05:23 PM
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1. Thanks for the recommends! Please help keep this in view.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 05:28 PM
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2. How nice for a "progressive" to unrec a poverty thread.
Notice... THIS is a reason I still maintain that "progressives" really don't care about poverty.

I'm not surprised... just sickened.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 06:26 PM
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3. BIG K& R
:kick:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 07:15 PM
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4. Thanks Nikki! I think this deserves to be discussed.....
:shrug:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 07:25 PM
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5. If they don't set aside adequate funds to help the global poor and less
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 07:25 PM by Uncle Joe
affluent nations adapt, we; humanity will still lose to the catastrophic effects of global warming climate change.

This must be a cross national/economic/social/ethnic endeavor at every level to succeed or we're all lost.

Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, bobbolink.:thumbsup:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 07:38 PM
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6. Thank you, Uncle Joe! This seems so obviously important,
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 07:39 PM by bobbolink
I can't understand why more aren't responding, and why it got an unrec!

Maybe I should repost it with a balloon??????
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 07:47 PM
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7. I believe it's because in general people; are scared even those
that have, making it more difficult for them to overcome their fear and think about those people that don't.

As to the unrec, it may have been a troll.

Peace to you, bobbolink.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 08:42 PM
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8. So, out of fear, we let people suffer and die?
Is that the level of fear "progressives" are actually content with? I thought progressives were more thoughtful....

How does racism, gay rights, etc., figure into that?

Thanks for replying..... a lot to think about...

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 11:25 AM
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9. .
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:02 PM
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10. Bumping
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