Dean at Fordham: Dems in "Senate..giving up too much for little return."

The more Democrats in the U.S. Senate compromise with Republicans on health care reform, the less effective it will be, Howard Dean said on Oct. 15 at Fordham.

Howard Dean Urges Dems to Stay Strong in Fight for Health Care Reform

and for no reward at all. Others were given posts. Why not Dean? He is speaking the truth here.I hope someone is listening.

have been relegated to the "loony left."

That's a real shame.

Too bad the idea of a 'team of rivals' doesn't extend far enough to include Dean.

It extends way far to the right, but not very far in our direction.

(CharlieRoseShow): Overall had positive comments about Obama
and his handling the economy did ssay he believes Obama Adm
are too quick to compromise. worries that the banks will push
back on important new regulations and there might be a tendency
to compromise. Let us hope they hang tough. Nocera expressed
concern that Banks might return to their "old ways' and have
the country in worse shape than ever.

It was the consensus of the panel that the Stimulus has and
is working.

I fear the answer to the question, Will they fuck it up?

insurance companies. They were paid off, and delivered! All the bullshit about 'trying' for public option is just that, bullshit!

Many in the Senate look with contempt on "the left" in their Democratic party, and I doubt they really care if people have health care or not.

He really is devoted to America.

A good man who should have been in Obama's Administration.

Enough to keep on fighting after being knocked down a lot. :hi:

Almost everyone who actually examines the Byrd rule and Senate parliamentarian precedent concedes that banning discrimination on the basis of pre-existing conditions is not possible. Without that, any public option would need to charge twice to three times as much as private insurance just to stay afloat. Dean thinks that anything can be passed under reconciliation, and he is wrong. It is really the opposite. Almost nothing can be passed (at least if the goal is to provide everyone healthcare).

And if we're not going under reconciliation, we have no choice but to negotiate with the most conservative Senators in our party. Olympia Snowe is much more liberal than Ben Nelson or Joe Lieberman. It isn't really even a negotiation. In order to ban discrimination on the basis of pre-existing conditions, we pretty much have to let the most conservative member write the bill. That's just how the math works.

Of course, another option (one I think many liberals on this board favor) is to just give up and hope we get more seats in 2010. That is at least a coherent plan. It doesn't deny the reality of the Senate rules. I personally think that plan is completely wrong, as I believe history shows we will lose seats (and even more so if we don't pass anything), but at least that is a coherent plan.