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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 10:21 AM
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Delusional in Dixie
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 10:23 AM by seafan
Scott Horton at Harpers:



It’s widely accepted wisdom in Washington these days that the Republican brand is tarnished. But what’s striking is the regional variation. In the last fifteen years, although there has been some difference between G.O.P. approval and Democratic approval across the country, the variation has been pretty modest. That’s not the case right now. In the Northeast, Midwest, and West, the Republicans struggle to climb out of the cellar. But in the states of the old Confederacy, the G.O.P. is doing just fine. Here’s a graph by Steve Benen showing the differences based on a September Daily Kos poll.





Does this mean that the party of “no,” now widely associated with tea-baggers, birthers, deathers, and efforts to label Obama simultaneously “fascist” and “socialist,” has scored in the South, while damaging its reputation elsewhere? That’s what at least one statewide poll suggests. The Nashville Post reports on a new poll of Tennesseeans completed by Middle Tennessee State University. It’s a real eye-opener:

* 34% of respondents and 47% of Republicans are “birthers”—they believe that President Barack Obama was born outside of the United States
* 30% of respondents and 48% of Republicans believe that Obama is a Muslim
* 35% of respondents and 55% of Republicans believe that Obama intends to take their guns away
* 46% of respondents and 71% of Republicans believe that Obama is a socialist

I’d bet that these folks don’t spend much time tracking the news, but if they do, no doubt they’re watching Fox. Reading these polls in conjunction suggests that the Republican brand is doing just fine in Dixie, and it’s lined up with some seriously delusional ideas.




After decades of taking away people's employment, raising the price of gas and then pumping nothing but Rush, Glen, Sean, Bill, Dobson, Reed, Falwell and their ilk into their radios and televisions, it's no wonder why the South is left behind.


When these people aren't working, they can't afford to drive very far out of their rural isolation and they listen to radical right wingers on all their media stations, this is the result.



The Republican Grand Plan: Ramp up the hatred and resentment and build 'em a new Super WalMart. Oh, and be sure to enlist 'em to fight Our obscenely profitable Wars.








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Ten Bears Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 10:50 AM
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1. I live in Nashville and I have to tell you that seeing that graph in action...
...is positively scary. These folks are nuts! While I don't think that civil war is imminent, at least I hope not, the attitude of these "patriots" is eerily similar to the ones described by US Grant in his memoirs prior to the civil war. One issue with the story though, I am not familiar with the Nashville Post. I don't recall ever seeing such a paper.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 10:52 AM
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2. Welcome to DU, Ten Bears.
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 10:53 AM by Lars39
:toast: I live near Nashville...don't remember that newspaper either.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 08:27 PM
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13. it's an online news source
I no longer live in Nashville, but it's my hometown. Didn't the Tennessean and the Banner merge?

I agree with you, tho, that the south is a scary place. I hate it and would never live there. I refused to have or raise my kids in the south and I know they were better off because of that decision.

THE problem with the south is religious stupidity. but it's a big, big business, as you can know from the Southern Baptist Convention, headquartered in Nashville.

The south will remain a source of embarrassment for its former and current residents as long as those states embrace religious stupidity rather than education and progress.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 01:28 PM
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15. I live in Richmond, VA, and it's the same here. *somebody get me
out of here*
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 10:55 AM
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3. not more south bashing!
:sarcasm:


I live in NC, btw..
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 11:44 AM
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4. Here's part of the problem with that graph
GEOGRAPHIC BREAKDOWN:

Northeast:
DC, ME, VT, NY, MD, PA, CT, DE, MA, NH, RI, WV, NJ

South:
FL, NC, SC, AL, MS, GA, VA, TN, KY, LA, AR, TX

Midwest:
IL, MN, MI, OH, WI, IA, MO, KS, IN, ND, SD, OK, NE

West:
NM, CA, OR, WA, AK, HI, MT, ID, UT, NV, AZ, WY, CO


DC, MD, WV, and arguably DE belong in the South.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:05 PM
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5. DE

The less populated lower two of the three counties of Delaware arguably belong in the south, but the bulk of Delaware's population is as "Southern" as the city of Philadelphia, which is minutes away. The three counties of Delaware originally were deeded to William Penn and considered part of Pennsylvania.

In DC, yes, you will get grits for breakfast, collard greens for lunch, and the tea is sweetened. These are oddities to most Delawareans. Mason and Dixon surveyed the western boundary of Delaware, and we usually say that we are "east" of the more famous southern boundary of Pennsylvania called "the" Mason Dixon Line. More of our population, though, is north of the line if extended through New Castle County.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 04:12 PM
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7. I enjoy annoying a cousin in Arden by reminding him that he comes from Sussex Co. farmers.
So much of northern Dellwur has cultural amnesia.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 04:35 PM
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8. Well, look...

We dug an enormous trench to keep them down there, and then the Army Corps of Engineers came along and built bridges across it.

What can I say... we tried.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 06:11 PM
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9. And in NC Ds control the statewide offices and the General Assembly, over half of our
US House delegation is Ds, and we have a split US Senate delegation, with a good chance of knocking off Burr-R in 2010. And Obama carried NC :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 06:48 PM
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10. DC, MD, WV, and DE arew not culturally part of the South anymore
WV was never part of the south, that's why it broke away from VA during the Civil War. All the people moving into the DC area have diluted the "southern-ness of DC and MD, they are far more "north-east" now and the cultural Mason-Dixon line goes through Northern VA now days.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 08:34 AM
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14. Are saying is that if a cultural southern place turns blue it ceases to be South?
WV's cultural difference from the rest of Virginia wasn't because they weren't southern, it was because they weren't tidewater Virginians and then abolitionists moved there from Maryland as well as some German bleed down from Pennsylvania. WV did not secede from Virginia with universal support, and any other day there would be people here lining up to call them a bunch of hayseed southerners. They speak Southern Mountain Dialect and are more culturally southern than northern.

While Maryland has been host to a steady invasion from the north, the state is not defined by Montgomery County. Prince George's County is as southern as it ever was, the black population is primarily colonial Marylander followed by economic refugees from Virginia and North Carolina.

DC and Baltimore are both majority southern black and significantly southern white.

It seems to me that what you are saying is that if a cultural southern place turns blue it ceases to be a part of the South.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:13 PM
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6. It's a dailykos poll. It doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 06:56 PM
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11. Unless you're interested in accuracy
The Research 2000 polls commissioned by Daily Kos have been quite accurate over the last several years, confoundingly so to folks who put their trust in Rasmussen and the like.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 07:11 PM
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12. Results of the GOP "southern strategy"
Not surprised.

I feel for my Democratic bretheren in the south.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 02:01 PM
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16. Yep. The South is upside down world now.
From Texas to the Carolinas, it's a culture with a lot of whites who have never accepted their great great great grand daddy, the Confederate terrorist, lost. It's a world that still likes blacks as athletes, but little else.
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