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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:00 PM
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That stuff about 2012? It's not going to happen
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/10/17/20091017scientist-doomsday1017.html


In, like, 4 billion or 5 billion years. The sun will get old and cranky and eventually immolate the entire planet.

The world, however, is not coming to an end on Dec. 21, 2012, contrary to the viral Internet rumor propounded by pseudo-scientists, hoaxers, Hollywood movie promoters and assorted void-between-the-ears people who wouldn't recognize a scientific fact if it tried to abduct them.

The notion that 2012 heralds the end of time has something to do with a mysterious Planet X that will supposedly hurtle into, or perhaps merely perturb, Earth. Also, there might be geomagnetic storms, a pole reversal, and a newfound unsteadiness in the planet's crustal plates. All of that, or variations thereof, can be studied in depth in scores of books now jostling for eschatological primacy with such titles as "Apocalypse 2012," "The World Cataclysm in 2012" and "How To Survive 2012."


The reality about the universe is that it is, in fact, wild and woolly, with all manner of exploding stars, gamma-ray bursts, black holes, not to mention comets that plunge toward the sun and rogue asteroids that just maybe have Earth's number. But it is simultaneously a fact that Earth is in a quiescent part of the galaxy, a rural place where not a whole lot happens in any given epoch. Cosmologically, we're in North Dakota.
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:01 PM
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1. Pshaw
You were probably a Y2K-denier too.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:03 PM
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2. Check back with me on Dec 22, 2012.
I'll be here! :)
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:05 PM
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3. It's sort of fascinating that people are always looking ...
... for the world to end during their lifetimes.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:07 PM
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4. I've wondered about that myself.
Why are so many so eager for the world to end? :shrug:
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:47 PM
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26. Life's just way too much for them, I'm guessing.
For some, they don't feel it's really worth it to continue this charade. The way other humans and the corporations act towards people, treating them like common exploitable pieces of dogshit, who can blame them?
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 03:01 PM
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29. It would be a shame to miss it
of course I'd like to have a few weeks notice.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:09 PM
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5. "Cosmologically, we're in North Dakota."
LOL....You know, I've often thought that if there was a god, the least he could have done was give us a better view, something like this that we could see at night with the naked eye;


BTW, the expression "people who wouldn't recognize a scientific fact if it tried to abduct them." is hilarious.

Well said.

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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:11 PM
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8. I never get tired of pics from space.
What a beautiful universe we live in!
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:41 PM
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24. have you seen the site at www.hubble.swf?
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 02:43 PM by Whisp
its a slide show of some of the Hubble shots with what sounds like Enya music in the background.

very lovely and breathtaking.

on edit: try Googling hubble.swf instead. a direct to that address doesn't seem to work.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:27 PM
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13. But we do see things like that in the sky
But only after we figured out how light works. The Universe certainly isn't camera shy, it shows us how it works. No faith necessary.

IMO, at that point we began looking far beyond the Christian god that past generations invented.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:30 PM
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14. I meant with the clarity we see the moon, as an example.
When you look at the sky on a clear night, you aren't seeing anything like the picture.

That's the point I was trying to make.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:48 PM
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20. Yea, I understood what you were getting at..
I just took it a bit further.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 05:54 PM
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38. You should read Isaac Asimov's "Nightfall". nt
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:09 PM
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6. Maybe it's a stock market crash a la 1929
After all, 12/21/2012 IS a NYSE trading day.

If enough people think the world will end that day, then maybe the market really will crash.

In that case, it'd be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:11 PM
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7. The movie ought to be a hoot, though
The previews have some of the best disaster SFX I've ever seen.

It kind of looks like a rewrite of When Worlds Collide, too.

--d!
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:13 PM
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10. A special effects extravaganza. Should look great on the big screen!
I have a feeling the story will be kinda weak but who'll care with all that disaster stuff going on everywhere! :woohoo:
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Michigan-Arizona Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:12 PM
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9. Good thing cause my birthday is Dec. 22nd, lol n/t
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:15 PM
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11. hmmmm... maybe you should celebrate early?
Just in case? :hi:
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:19 PM
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12. Wacky pseudosciencers like Edgar Cayce have been predicting doom for years
And they've been wrong EVERY time!
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:33 PM
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15. You and your silliness
I'm planning on getting credit cards next year and start buying all that crap I cannot afford. I won't have to worry about bills if the world's gonna end. ;)
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:37 PM
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17. ooohhhh... I like the way you think!
:hi:
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:42 PM
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19. Hell yeah
I'm gonna live high on the hog. Vacations, fancy clothes, finish getting my house remodeled. If the world's gonna end, I'm going to enjoy the last year or so I have. ;)
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:37 PM
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16. Isn't a Yellowstone eruption long overdue?
I believe it erupts about every 600,000 years and it's about 60,000 years overdue. It may not end life on Earth but it might make living in North America a little unpleasant for awhile. It's probably very unlikely that it will coincide with 2012, however.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 03:21 PM
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33. Husband's been wanting to move back to Montana...maybe this will change his mind. n/t
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:39 PM
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18. Who am I supposed to believe--you alone or the millions of people who KNOW we're all gonna die?
Sorry, I'll put my faith in democracy. The world will end in three years, two months. Shit, they're even making movies about it. If the producers were so sure this wasn't going to happen, then why didn't they put off making the movie 2012 until the actual year of 2012?

No answer? I didn't think so. My case is PROVED!
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:32 PM
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21. Shit!
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 02:33 PM by Turbineguy
OK, I'll go to Freerepublic with my money-making franchise idea.

The hell with you people.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:36 PM
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22. "Cosmologically, we're in North Dakota." This Fargoan goes LOL! So True!
And I rather like it! :rofl:
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 03:20 PM
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32. I caught that also.
Very true.
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WonderGrunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:39 PM
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23. I'm dissapointed. The trailers looked awesome.
When's the last time a movie got pulled from release? :silly:
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:44 PM
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25. its not a 'world will end' date at all...
it's the start of a new beginning, a big change.
or something like that.

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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:52 PM
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27. This movie . . .
. . . OK, I'm looking at the previews of this thing and I'm thinking: "Gee. As if Real Life in 21st Century America isn't absolutely depressing, futile and hope-crushing enough, let's make a movie about a cataclysm that wipes out 75% of the population! You know, because that's what I want to see to put ME in a better mood!"

I know it's just a movie, but I'd rather see something that gives me some semblence of hopefulness, not a "yer gonna die, die DIE in three years!!!!" pile of Roland Emmerich CGI.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 03:57 PM
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35. Yep.
Even the 25% that may survive are gonna have a very bad century or two ahead of them.

The 2012 movie has to be thought of as junk food for the brain, much like all of Emmerich's movies.
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99 Percent Sure Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:53 PM
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28. The one thing evolutionists have not been able
to explain is why their theory cannot explain birth and death. For example, how does a fetus evolve from the mating process and why the egg has to be fertilized with the sperm and implanted in a female body to experience growth to birth?

Why do some people live to a ripe old age but some babies die in the womb? How come, after a supposed millions of years of evolving, man has not evolved to live eternally? Wouldn't that be the natural conclusion of evolution after so many years? Yet with all of man's belief in the power of self, they haven't found a cure for any major disease let alone death or even how to prevent its random occurrence to the young, the old and the unborn.

Every human faces the end of the world at some point in their lives for as surely as you are born you're going to die and you have no control over when that will occur. So the end of anyone's world is when they die. Therefore, everyone should understand, whether you believe in God or not, that time has an end. Whether you believe it is two or three years from now or not, time definitely will end for each of us, and we can't know individually exactly when.

We may think we're in control but, so far, no one has evolved to the point where they can cheat death. There's not enough money to pay to extend it, there's no barter anyone can make. When it's your time to go, there's no theory or bargain you can make that will stave it off. When you gotta go, you've got to go. You can't evolve out of death.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 04:06 PM
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36. Creationist woo-woo!
:crazy:

Your extreme ignorance regarding biology (especially natural selection) and physics are very, very revealing.
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99 Percent Sure Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 05:13 PM
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37. Thanks! n/t
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 05:58 PM
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39. Uh, actually, "evolutionists" have explained birth and death.
You might want to do some reading.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 03:03 PM
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30. But what about the super collider?
Isn't the world gonna be sucked in from the inside? That shit scares me worse than 2012 does.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 03:18 PM
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31. And if the world DOESN'T end 0n 12-21-12
please credit Obama for saving the planet. Tee hee!
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 03:55 PM
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34. Best reply yet!
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