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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:48 PM
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Poll question: Poll - Afghanistan Escalation, Support or Oppose
For my own curiosity I'm trying to see if there is demographic in ages of those who support or oppose troop escalation in Afghanistan.

My own disclosure - I am a boomer, a pacifist and opposed the wars in Vietnam, the Gulf, Afghanistan and Iraq. I most certainly oppose any escalation of troops in Afghanistan.

Due to the age ranges in the poll, and lack of space, I left no room for other. Please feel free to post about your other!

Wishing you all a beautiful weekend!
Ommmmmmmmmm :)
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:51 PM
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1. Ommmmmmm
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 01:52 PM by Blue_In_AK
to you, as well. I'm another boomer pacifist here, and I can't help but draw comparisons between Afghanistan and Vietnam. I see no good coming from an escalation.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:54 PM
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3. Blue, even the idea of it gets me sick to my stomach.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 04:56 PM
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19. .....
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 06:31 AM
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33. ,,,,
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:07 PM
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8. Ditto. n/t
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 09:56 AM
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24. Same here. nt
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:51 PM
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2. I was opposed to going into Afghanistan in the first place
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 02:00 PM by ixion
as I was with Iraq.

Still opposed to both, years later.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:56 PM
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4. Get our boys and girls out of Afghanietnam now! nt
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 01:57 PM by wildbilln864
:banghead:
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:57 PM
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5. Strongly oppose.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 01:58 PM
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6. Depends on the strategy and purpose of the troops
I'll wait until Senator Kerry gets back with his report to see what's really going on over there. If Kerry and Biden both oppose more troops of any purpose, then it's probably a stupid idea.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:06 PM
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7. I'm strongly opposed. This will end very badly if we stay.
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WillieW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:11 PM
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10. Ditto.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:10 PM
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9. rec for a good poll
and wishing us a beautiful weekend!

:hi:



presidents come and go, the struggle for peace continues..
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:14 PM
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11. Escalating a lost war is not only immoral but downright stupid.
But, politicians aren't known for their morality or intelligence when it comes running a government.

"History has tried to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians.  Now, to go and stick one at the very head of government couldn’t be wise." - Mark Twain

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” H.L. Mencken
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 03:37 PM
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17. Mencken was an elitist fuck. nt
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 08:03 PM
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27. Democracy is the worst form of government except for all of the others
Twain was right, politicians make crappy decisions. Dictators also make crappy decisions.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 08:07 PM
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29. Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.
Thomas Paine
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:45 PM
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12. 31, oppose (nt)
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:48 PM
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13. 66, strongly oppose
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:53 PM
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14. Almost 60...STRONGLY Oppose.
Out NOW!
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 03:29 PM
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15. Just under 25, oppose the escalation. I am not a pacifist.
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 03:29 PM by anonymous171
I just dislike foreign interventions. Progressive Imperialism is still Imperialism after all.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 03:33 PM
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16. OPPOSE! OPPOSE! OPPOSE! OPPOSE! OPPOSE! OPPOSE!
:grr:
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t0dd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 03:41 PM
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18. 22 and vehemently oppose any escalation of troops nt
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 05:40 PM
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20. I'm 49. I not only oppose escalation,
I oppose the whole damned war itself, and have since its inception.

There has been no war in my lifetime that I did not oppose.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 06:27 PM
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21. So far, all of the responders who are 36 and up totally oppose the escalation.
I wonder if there was a draft the ones who support an escalation would still support it?
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 07:56 PM
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26. Good question. nt
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 08:13 PM
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30. cities would burn if there were a draft. they can hire private
Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 08:14 PM by jonnyblitz
contractors so they will never have to reinstitute the politically unpopular draft.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 09:31 PM
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22. .....
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 09:54 AM
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23. last kick
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 10:55 AM
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25. Afghanistan IS another Vietnam!
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 08:04 PM
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28. Policy wars are for suckers!
Patriotism ...my ass.

Never was a patriot yet, but was a fool.

– John Dryden

A patriot is a fool in ev’ry age.

– Alexander Pope.

Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

– Samuel Johnson

In Dr. Johnson’s famous dictionary, patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer, I beg to submit that it is the first.

– Ambrose Bierce

Patriotism is as fierce as a fever, pitiless as the grave, blind as a stone, and irrational as a headless hen.

– Ambrose Bierce

That pernicious sentiment, “Our country, right or wrong.”

– James Russell Lowell

“My country right or wrong” is a thing that no patriot would think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying, “My mother drunk or sober.”

– G. K. Chesterton

Patriotism which has the quality of intoxication is a danger not only to its native land but to the world, and “My country never wrong” is an even more dangerous maxim than “My country, right or wrong.”

– Bertrand Russell

Patrioism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it.

– George Bernard Shaw

Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.

– George Bernard Shaw

You’ll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race.

– George Bernard Shaw

Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy.

– George Bernard Shaw

Patriotism is an ephemeral motive that scarcely ever outlasts the particular threat to society that aroused it.

– Denis Diderot

To me, it seems a dreadful indignity to have a soul controlled by geography.

– George Santayana

The Athenian democracy suffered much from that narrowness of patriotism which is the ruin of all nations.

– H.G. Wells

Nationalism is our form of incest, is our idolatry, is our insanity. “Patriotism” is its cult. . . . Just as love for one individual which excludes the love for others is not love, love for one’s country which is not part of one’s love for humanity is not love, but idolatrous worship.

– Erich Fromm

One of the great attractions of patriotism–it fulfills our worst wishes. In the person of our nation we are able, vicariously, to bully and cheat, Bully and cheat, what’s more, with a feeling that we are profoundly virtuous.

– Aldous Huxley

Many studies have discovered a close link between prejudice and “patriotism” . . . Extreme bigots are almost always super-patriots.

– Gordon Allport

It seems like the less a statesman amounts to, the more he loves the flag.

– Elbert Hubband

Patriotism varies, from a noble devotion to a moral lunacy.

– William Inge

Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.

– Arthur Schopenhauer

Patriotism is the passion of fools and the most foolish of passions.

– Arthur Schopenhauer

Patriotism corrupts history.

– Goethe

Into the cultural and technological system of the modern world, the patriotic spirit fits like dust in the eyes and sand in the bearings. Its net contribution to the outcome is obscuration, distrust, and retardation at every point where it touches the fortunes of modern mankind.

– Thorstein Veblen

The standardization of mass-production carries with it a tendency to standardize a mass-mind, producing a willing conformity, not merely to common ways of living, but to common ways of thinking and common valuations. The worst defect of patriotism is its tendency to foster and impose this common mind, and so to stifle the innumerable germs of liberty.

– J.A. Hobson

2. Patriotism and War:

At the bottom of all patriotism is war: that is why I am no patriot.

– Jules Renard

No other factor in history, not even religion, has produced so many wars as has the clash of national egotisms sanctified by the name of patriotism.

– Preserved Smith

Naturally the common people don’t want war . . . Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders . . . All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism.

– Hermann Goering.

That worst outcrop of herd life, the military system, which I abhor . . . This plague-spot of civilization ought to be abolished with all possible speed. Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism–how passionately I hate them!

– Albert Einstein

3. Patriotism and Religion:

Patriotism is a kind of religion; it is the egg from which wars are hatched.

– Guy de Maupassant

God and Country are an unbeatable team; they break all records for oppression and bloodshed.

– Luis Buñuel

To be patriotic, hate all nations but you own; to be religious, all sects but your own; to be moral, all pretenses but your own.

– Lionel Strachey

When a dog barks at the moon, then it is religion; but when he barks at strangers, it is patriotism!

– David Starr Jordan

4. The American Syndrome:

If you have a weak candidate and a weak platform, wrap yourself up in the American flag and talk about the Constitution.

– Matt Quay

How much longer are we going to think it necessary to be “American” before (or in contradistinction to) being cultivated, being enlightened, being humane, & having the same intellectual discipline as other civilized countries? It is really too easy a disguise for our shortcomings to dress them up as a form of patriotism.

– Edith Wharton

The 100 percent American is 99 percent an idiot.

– George Bernard Shaw

Treason is in the air around us everywhere. It goes by the name of patriotism.

– Thomas Corwin

5. Three relatively positive assessments of patriotism:

A patriot is somebody who protects his country from his government. Or better yet: who has the guts to protect his country from its government.

– Piotyr Dirk

Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.

– George Washington

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.

– Thomas Jefferson
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 08:16 PM
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31. Great post. Thanks.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 08:55 AM
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36. This is excellent. Thank you and bookmarked. :)
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 08:45 PM
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32. Interesting poll. SO far, with a handful of votes, the uder 25 crowd are
the only ones with a majority of war mongering apologists.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 06:37 AM
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34. Vietnam era DU'ers are much more reluctant to accept escalation.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 12:18 PM
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37. There is something to be said about being
older and wiser. Having lived through that history, I haven't forgotten it, nor the history I've learned since.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 12:22 PM
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38. 43, opposed
Didn't buy this bullshit when Chimpy sold it, not buying it now. There is NO legitimate fucking purpose for US military presence in Afghanistan, and I have not seen any evidence that the now long dead Osama Bin Laden/Tim Osman/Emmanuel Goldstein was there in 2001 at all.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 12:23 PM
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39. 33; helping out the oppose numbers for my age group
:hi:

As far as if we need a targeted approach, I don't have the info needed. But I strongly oppose escalation.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 01:03 PM
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40. Thank you mvd!
:hi: and :hug:
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 01:08 PM
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41. You're welcome! Good poll
:hi: :hug:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 02:12 PM
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44. Thank you! When
reading the threads on Afghanistan I started to wonder about the ages of the posters and their positions. Hence the poll!
:hi:
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Jokerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 01:12 PM
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42. Looks like we're a bunch of aging, anti-war hippies.
Glad I'm not the only one.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 01:33 PM
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43. 'Glad I'm not the only one.'
Me too! :hi:
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