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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:32 PM
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Michael Shermer Schools Bill Maher on Bill's Ridiculous Stance on Vaccinations
An open letter:

"However, I believe that when it comes to alternative medicine in general and vaccinations in particular you have fallen prey to the same cognitive biases and conspiratorial thinking that you have so astutely identified in others. In fact, the very principle of how vaccinations work is additional proof (as if we needed more) against the creationists that evolution happened and that natural selection is real: vaccinations work by tricking the body’s immune system into thinking that it has already had the disease for which the vaccination was given. Our immune system “adapts” to the invading pathogens and “evolves” to fight them, such that when it encounters a biologically similar pathogen (which itself may have evolved) it has in its armory the weapons needed to fight it. This is why many of us born in the 1950s and before may already have some immunity against the H1N1 flu because of its genetic similarity to earlier influenza viruses, and why many of those born after really should get vaccinated.

"Vaccination is one of science’s greatest discoveries. It is with considerable irony, then, that as a full-throated opponent of the nonsense that calls itself Intelligent Design, your anti-vaccination stance makes you something of an anti-evolutionist. Since you have been so vocal in your defense of the theory of evolution, I implore you to be consistent in your support of the theory across all domains and to please reconsider your position on vaccinations. It was not unreasonable to be a vaccination skeptic in the 1880s, which the co-discovered of natural selection—Alfred Russel Wallace—was, but we’ve learned a lot over the past century. Evolution explains why vaccinations work. Please stop denying evolution in this special case.

"As well, Bill, your comments about not wanting to “trust the government” to inject us with a potentially deadly virus, along with many comments you have made about “big pharma” being in cahoots with the AMA and the CDC to keep us sick in the name of corporate profits is, in every way that matters, indistinguishable from 9/11 conspiracy mongering. Your brilliant line about how we know that the Bush administration did not orchestrate 9/11 (“because it worked”), applies here: the idea that dozens or hundreds pharmaceutical executives, AMA directors, CDC doctors, and corporate CEOs could pull off a conspiracy to keep us all sick in the name of money and power makes about as much sense as believing that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and their bureaucratic apparatchiks planted explosive devices in the World Trade Center and flew remote controlled planes into the buildings.

"Finally, Bill, please consider the odd juxtaposition of your enthusiastic support for health care reform and government intervention into this aspect of our medical lives, with your skepticism that these same people—when it comes to vaccinations and disease prevention—suddenly lose their sense of morality along with their medical training. You excoriate the political right for not trusting the government with our health, and then in the next breath you inadvertently join their chorus when you denounce vaccinations, thereby adding fodder for their ideological cannons. Please remember that it’s the same people administrating both health care and vaccination programs."

http://www.richarddawkins.net/article,4465,An-Open-Letter-to-Bill-Maher-on-Vaccinations,Michael-Shermer
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 02:47 PM
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1. BRAVO!!!
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 03:09 PM
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2. Tweety was an absolute idiot also
He was talking about how other countries demand that we get loads of shots before going there (making the point, which I agree with, that vaccinations are a good thing), but Tweety had it all ass-backwards as usual. It's the developed countries which demand you get the vaccinations before going to the Third World, so you don't bring anthing nasty back.

Someone should have said to Bill - 'hold on there, what about the fact that smallpox and polio are almost totally eradicated? Would he like to risk getting polio every year like we did before Salk developed his vaccination?'
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 04:04 PM
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3. You can tell Maher, but you can't tell him much. nt.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-17-09 05:47 PM
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4. He's jealous of the Pope
It's the Pope's job to pontificate; Bill wishes it was his.
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