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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 10:04 AM
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Liz Cheney Is Afraid Of Rachel Maddow
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/new-ad-cheneys-keep-america-safe-attacks-msnbc (for video)

From C&L:

After all of the air time Liz Cheney has been given on Morning Joe and some of the other MSNBC daytime programs, her new group, the ironically named "Keep America Safe" is running an ad saying that Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz and Keith Olbermann are afraid to debate her.

From The Plum Line-New Ad From Liz Cheney’s Group Bashes Olbermann, Matthews As “Afraid” To Debate Her:

The implication being, of course, that the MSNBC gang is running scared from Ms. Cheney. If memory serves, though, Ms. Cheney has repeatedly been granted a platform on … MSNBC, again and again and again, to defend her pop’s legacy and champion policies that don’t even exist anymore.

Looking forward to the lily-livered liberal network crew’s response to this one. Maybe they’ll invite her on again a bunch more times to discuss her contempt for them.

And from Benen:

Earlier this year, Liz Cheney spent so much time on the cable news networks, I think she had her mail forwarded to the green rooms on N. Capitol. At one point, the "liberal media" had the former State Department official on 22 times in 24 days. Not only were many of these appearances on MSNBC, but when people like me started complaining about the news networks turning Cheney into a right-wing celebrity, Liz Cheney's biggest defender was ... MSNBC.

And now Cheney wants to turn the network into a punching bag?

Also, I couldn't help but notice that Liz Cheney's ad targets Olbermann, Matthews, and Schultz, but seems to have left out one high-profile MSNBC host: Rachel Maddow. Indeed, Rachel has invited Liz Cheney onto her show many, many times, and yet, Cheney has declined every opportunity.

To borrow a phrase, why doesn't Liz Cheney want to talk substance? Why doesn't she want to debate the issues?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 10:06 AM
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1. Then she isn't as stupid as I thought she was.
lol
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 10:07 AM
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2. +1...n/t
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 10:15 AM
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4. She's not stupid
Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 10:15 AM by hobbit709
Bought and paid for by her father and totally amoral.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 10:18 AM
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6. Her intellect is nothing to write home about . Her talking points
Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 10:18 AM by EFerrari
don't even make sense most of the time on a literal level.
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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 01:35 PM
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16. +1. nt.
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WonderGrunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 10:21 AM
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8. Liz picks her podiums carefully.
She isn't a stupid repuke. In some ways, that makes her worse.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 10:14 AM
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3. MSNBC
Ed and Rachel have people "from the other side of the aisle" all the fucking time. Rachel has literally begged on the air to talk to Liz or Dick, repeatedly.

Olbermann doesn't host too many from the dark side, but I doubt he has an aversion to it. But, Keith doesn't seem to attract very many Grover Norquist/Dick Cheney caliber guests very often, does he?

How can Liz Cheney bitch about not accepting Rachel's invite? The door at Rachel's is always open for you, Liz!

-90% Jimmy
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 10:17 AM
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5. Olbermann and Tweety could both eat her for lunch as well. I doubt either of them have been allowed
near Liz Cheney.

Would love to see Matthews Hardball her.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 10:18 AM
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7. Can you re-phrase that?...
:puke:
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 10:23 AM
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9. LOL n/t "make mincemeat of her" "reduce her to sputtering tears" "cause a Bachmann meltdown"
"short circuit the talking point machine" "shred her lies to ribbons"
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 05:52 PM
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24. I wouldn't leave that up to Chris
He lets guest get away with saying all kinds of shit. Now she might need an umbrella, but she doesn't need to fear Chris. Rachel and Keith on the other hand will not let her get away with any shit.
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felinetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 10:39 AM
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10. How about Dylan Ratigan? You know what? She's a chicken shit and dad's a chicken hawk.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 11:18 AM
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11. Rachel Maddow is big
She's about 6' 160 Lbs. She'd kick Liz Cheney's ass.
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schinella Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 11:59 PM
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41. Rachel Maddow is big
Wow, she's 6 ft and meaty? I'd pay good money to watch her slap shit out of Dick's evil progeny. Be still my beating heart....!
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 11:20 AM
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12. WAIT A SECOND!!! Why is Liz Cheney running television ads?
Is she running for something?

Is this an advertisement for her company's services?

Seems like an idiotic waste of Daddy's Halliburton pension.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 10:24 PM
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40. That was what I was wondering
She is so engrossed with them that she (they) are running ads talking about how they won't talk to her (when they will)???
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 11:34 AM
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13. i suspect that
Liz avoids talking about her personal life at all costs. She probably thinks Rach would grill her about being gay, having children, marrying and issues related to those things. Liz wants to control the agenda of any interview she gives. Rachel probably would never go along with any guidelines.

my 2 pennies...

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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 01:19 PM
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14. You are thinking of Mary Cheney. n/t
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 05:05 PM
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18. oops
Though i wonder how much is still valid. Do you think she doesn't want to answer questions about her sister? Has she ever come out in favor of Marriage Equality?

Would Rachel go there?

:shrug:

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Grassy Knoll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 07:21 PM
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28. I don't have a DICK !
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 01:29 PM
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15. I don't know why she's targeting Matthews. He spent eight years with his
nose in her father's ass. KO as a practice doesn't debate RWingers on his program. His guests are usually there to explain things that have happened in the news not to challenge him. I'm sure if Ed Schultz sees this, he will invite her on. He's not afraid to debate RW nutjobs and I'm sure he's not afraid of her. I think the fact that she doesn't want to dust it up with Rachel is because her sister Mary is gay and maybe has asked her not to. I'm just speculating about this of course because I don't know Liz Cheney's mind or Mary's for that matter.
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kag Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 04:59 PM
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17. She SHOULD be afraid of Rachel.
Our Rachel would kick her ass from here to next Thursday.

I think I'm in love with Rachel Maddow. Too bad I'm straight...and married:loveya: :dilemma:
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 05:15 PM
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19. Lizzie's right to be afraid of Rachel.
Rachel's smarter than she is, and takes no prisoners.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 05:41 PM
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22. and Rachel's like 6'2"...
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 05:33 PM
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20. Probably because if such two people would come together her fantasy would come crashing down...
That some how her beliefs and the person that she is can coexist...
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 05:39 PM
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21. self delete
Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 05:40 PM by Submariner


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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 05:48 PM
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23. I would like to think
That they were afraid of Rachel, but I really feel it's because Rachel is a woman. They don't take her seriously.
I can't wiat for the ivites to start tomorrow. Come on Liz. I bet your a chicken shit like your daddy.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 06:25 PM
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25. Yep... K & R !!!
:kick:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 06:30 PM
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26. And yet Rachel would probably be nicer to her than KO or Tweety Bird
Strange.
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Stellar Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 08:49 PM
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34. Can I call you Joe?
Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 08:50 PM by Stellar
Remember when Palin was going to debate Biden? Joe practiced his debate with a female (can't remember who) so as not to offend the sensibilities of any woman during the debate. A man debating a woman seem to be more of a problem for the man, and the way the public would perceive it. I think Liz realize that.

Rachel wouldn't have that problem, and lying Liz knows that too.


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 06:39 PM
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27. We were "safe" on 9/11 . . .? I didn't know that?
And, were we also safe from the Anthrax which came from inside our own country . . . ?

And which shut down Congress' normal business for months . . . ???

hmmm....

"Safe" -- ?? We should make sure she eats those words!!!

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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 11:46 AM
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45. Chimpy didn't think we were safe on 9/11
He was hiding in a hole in Nebraska.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 07:32 PM
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29. Keep America Safe
Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 07:33 PM by AlbertCat
Or is that

Keep America's safe ...and the money in it.

Or

Keep America's hands off my safe.


Liz Cheney, like her father, Dick, cannot stand the light of day. Reality destroys them utterly.

No one.... not even I... no one is afraid of Liz Cheney. I'll debate her right now.

I can't believe she's using the ol' "they're afraid to debate me" crap...still. That train left last century.
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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 08:16 PM
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32. More likely
Keep America Scared
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era veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 07:58 PM
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30. Chickenshit Nazis
The Nazis didn't go to Argentina they went to Wyoming.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 08:01 PM
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31. The media should just ignore her. I think she bored everyone
to death in her last round of media appearances and she wasn't invited back. So, like her cowardly, lying father, she says stuff that she thinks will get her invitations to come back on television. She's desperately trying to protect her war criminal father from prosecution.

I don't think she has to worry about that happening under this administration. We may have to wait for a new administration sometime in the future, or hopefully the international community will take care of it since we are no longer a country that abides by the law.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 08:43 PM
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33. What a trumped-up little pip squeek. nt.
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pitchforksandtorches Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 08:51 PM
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35. HERE is the skinny on Liz:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Cheney
Elizabeth graduated from McLean High School in 1984. She received her bachelor's degree from Colorado College where she wrote her senior thesis, "The Evolution of Presidential War Powers," in 1988

http://www.slate.com/id/2210084/
By Zac Frank
Posted Thursday, Jan. 29, 2009, at 1:00 PM ET
In 1988, while Dick Cheney was Wyoming's sole representative in the House of Representatives, his daughter's senior thesis was quietly published in Colorado Springs. The 125-page treatise argued that, constitutionally and historically, presidents have virtually unchecked powers in war. Thirteen years before her father became vice president, she had symbolically authored the first legal memorandum of the Bush administration, laying out the same arguments that would eventually justify Guantanamo and extraordinary rendition, wiretapping of American citizens, and, broadly, the unitary theory of the executive that shaped the Bush presidency.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/12/730605/-Liz-Cheney:-White-House-siding-with-the-terrorists
The Cheney's don't fight the wars they start, they profit from them. It's not personal; it's business.

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SleeplessinSoCal Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 09:00 PM
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36. I still think her main objective is keeping daddy out of The Hague
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 09:17 PM
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37. I noticed you said this:
Indeed, Rachel has invited Liz Cheney onto her show many, many times, and yet, Cheney has declined every opportunity.

When did she say that?

I have no doubt that Rachel would eat her alive and spit out the bits and pieces left over. But, like so many of us online, I take what I read with a grain or two or twenty of salt. I checked out several of the links at the crooksandliars link that you provided but not one had real evidence that Rachel had indeed extended that invitation.

I do think that because both are female, Rachel would kick butt in that televised confrontation, should it ever occur.
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jonathan_seer Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 09:18 PM
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38. When she was on Hardball, Joan Walsh from Salon Let Liz C. have it
Edited on Sun Oct-18-09 09:20 PM by jonathan_seer
It was a gem of a show. Joan's contempt of Cheney was obvious and deserved.

The moderator, a guest host, was foolish - tried to get the two to find common ground. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JteSb2Tbiw8
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 09:51 PM
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39. all any dem should EVER do when they talk to her is refer to her myriad, documented,
lies

don't talk about anything else, just ask her what about this?

what about this?

why should we believe anything she says when all she does is lie:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6794471&mesg_id=6794536
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 08:10 AM
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42. Lying is in the Cheney DNA (NT)
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 10:19 AM
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43. Liz "not the lesbian" Cheney debating Rachel?
:rofl:
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 10:45 AM
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44. .
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