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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 05:15 AM
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But "Ardi" seems to have had more in common with the hippie-like bonobo.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frans-de-waal/was-ardi-perhaps-liberal_b_325201.html

The most outrageous claim regarding "Ardi" (the recently discovered 4.4 million year old fossil of a human ancestor) came from a press release by Kent State University with the headline: "Man Did Not Evolve From Apes."

You can imagine how creationists and intelligent-designers jumped on this statement as a gift from God, and how some media outlets got confused, saying that this must mean that apes descend from us. But the claim was quickly retracted. What the scientists meant is that we do not descend from any extant apes. Like us, apes have changed considerably since we parted our evolutionary ways.

Our ancestor surely was an ape, but what this creature looked like is anybody's guess. And here it gets political!

In the 1970s, humans were known as born "killer apes" with an insatiable lust to eliminate their own kind. At about the same time, chimpanzees were found to brutally kill their neighbors and to commit infanticide. The chimpanzee was quickly adopted as our ancestral type, meaning that violence is in our DNA, that humanity will wage war in perpetuity, and that competition and power struggles are our way of life. Anyone who thought differently was considered a romantic dreamer.



Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frans-de-waal/was-ardi-perhaps-liberal_b_325201.html

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Make love, not war! Teabagging is a start.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 05:27 AM
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1. I have been visiting the Bonobos in the San Diego Zoo for years.
They have adopted me. The queen presented her baby girl, three days after birth. She held her by her hands lifted like a jumping jack.

Mikasi, an orphan boy, was the first Bonobo to be adopted into a tribe. Ever. The Bonobo is a matrilinial arrangement. He, having no connection to a mom, has found clout, as babysitter, for the second generation of orphans. Starting out, a little rough, he has become very gentle and caring.

Lana, the queen, pressed against the glass, demands attention and a massage. She seems at times, to prefer the strange creatures trapped outside their eden. They seem to pity our being locked up. I'm sure their compassion would see them leaving the gate open, so we too could share their bounty. Their religion, after watching fruits and goodies fly over the wall, seems to be some sort of cargo cult.

I am always inspired by their utter lack of outgroup, or any prejudice. Not once, have they called me funny looking.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 05:47 AM
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2. His pet theory is that this must mean that Ardi and her contemporaries were monogamous, but unless t
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{His pet theory is that this must mean that Ardi and her contemporaries were monogamous, but unless the diggers come up with a male and female fossil holding hands and having wedding rings, the idea that these ancestors avoided conflict through pair-bonding remains pure speculation. There is no evidence for it, and the only pair-bonded primate we have in our direct lineage (the gibbon) has in fact huge canine teeth.}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frans-de-waal/was-ardi-perhaps-liberal_b_325201.html

This is pure crapola. Without Dimorphism, monogamy diminishes. The Bonobo culture never really knows who is the father, so, all children are treated like a cultural treasure, by all males. They never really know, if that child might be their genetic offspring. So, upbringing takes a village.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 06:03 AM
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3. Lifestyle is really important.


Do you really want to make me extinct?





I'll get right on that!
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 12:00 PM
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5. That is so cute.
:rofl:
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 06:37 AM
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4. Some sillyness
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