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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:17 AM Original message |
1345 days, 3.68 years, that's how long it took the US to win WWII.. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
1. The Chinese did most of the heavy lifting for us in the Pacific front. nt |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. As did the Soviets on the European Front. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Make excuses for the politicians all you want.. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. I'm not making excuses for anyone. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:48 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Legislation doesn't *always* move slowly.. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Examples, I should think, of the hazards of rushing. nt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
50. Not for the rulers. |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. oh, you mean being defeated completely and decisively? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #6 |
16. No. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. With a great deal of American equipment.. |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Can't anyone take pride in anything Americans did? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:56 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Sure. That doesn't preclude recognizing what others did. nt |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Oh please |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Yes. 7,000 Americans died in Guadalcanal. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
55. They did a lot but we defeated Japan. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
58. I'd, ah, dispute that |
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mucifer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
3. Russia did lots of the heavy lifting, too. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:25 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. With a great deal of American equipment.. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
46. Less than 1/2 of 1% of Soviet fighting machines were supplied by Lend Lease. |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. no, russia did a lot of dying... and their wwii success had a lot to do with USA help... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:55 AM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Their "lot of dying" also inflicted over 80% of all German casualties, |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 09:04 AM Response to Reply #10 |
23. You're right |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 09:08 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. And what proportion of German losses did they inflict? nt |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #10 |
28. The Russians stopped the Germans once and for all @ Stalingrad |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Stalingrad and Kursk. |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. That and Hitler was like bush and did not listen to his Generals |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
53. The Germans had great generals. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
47. The successful Soviet counteroffensive |
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TheBigotBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
63. "US help" |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
8. We won in Iraq and Afghanistan |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Germany and Japan had massive anti-Allied guerrilla movements |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
13. obvioiusly the USA helped end the war but lets not forget our allies who bore much of the brunt of |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
14. "Japan destroyed much of our Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor..." |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Were those ships available for combat immediately after Pearl? |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 09:09 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Yamamoto was reported as said that this will buy us about 6 months |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. yamamoto got his ass kicked in the coral sea and at midway... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. "the japanese got their butts whipped in every engagement past pearl harbor." |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #34 |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Can you read? |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. Most historians would say that the Battle of Coral Sea was a |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
64. It was like Jutland for the Germans |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
59. Less than you, I'd imagine |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 09:16 AM Response to Reply #17 |
26. what is your fucking problem.. 19 ships sunk, 16 raised, repaired and returned to active duty... |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
27. And we've occupied Japan and Germany to this day. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #27 |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #27 |
39. Some of that went on. |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
30. So FDR was a failure talking five years to implement a very weak Social Security |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. FDR was a failure at so many levels. We love FDR. But dude was a fuck up... |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Or FDR knew war was inevitable and took his |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. no. dude was a fuck up.... |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Joke right? nt |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. "He had the chance to avoid it." |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #37 |
65. Are you really that stupid? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
40. "the US" DIDN'T win world war 2... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #40 |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. the u.s didn't, and wouldn't have been able to do it alone. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. US did win WWII actually. We just didn't do it alone |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
51. How long after 12/7/41 did FDR send US troops into actual battle? |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I think it's the battle of the Coral Sea. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. You mean he "dithered" for 5 months? |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. That damn "ditherer" how the hell did he think he could win WWII!!1! |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. It was continuous since December 8 (December 7 EST). |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. ah.. the retreat .. I meant when we sent massive forces into battle |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Marines started landing at Guadalcanal in August 1942. (nt) |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. Roughly zero minutes |
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