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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 07:29 PM
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It's Time to teach "Urban Survival" courses in Schools - how to dodge bullets, monsters.
Seriously, it's time to teach Urban Survival in School. I've been watching this build ever since that brain tumor guy crawled up to the Tower in Texas and started popping people.

I've always taught or had my kids schooled in defensive arts, How to Shoot a GUN (in case the gunman DROPS the damn thing), How to Use a Bow and Arrow (the Vietcong would climb trees, make a bow and arrow, and kill Troops wearing 50 grand in weapons), some Karate, etc.

It's a new world, and a dangerous one, and I don't see it going the other way for a while.

Hell, when he was young I taught my kid how to make "spaghetti arms", loose, like noodles, so that if someone BIG grabbed his jacked he could get AWAY.

Sad, but it's come to this, and they should teach it in schools now, maybe start in Sixth grade or so. It's not just idiot greasers with switchblades anymore, they'v got AK47's and NO PILLS to keep them sane.

Might be a good business for someone to start, Child Survival Classes in a Dangerous world.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 07:30 PM
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1. Lesson #1: DON'T BE A VICTIM
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 07:38 PM
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5. Exactly HOW do you do that
when someone walks into a school and blow people away?

And this is starting to get to be MORE than some statistical deal, there have been shootings more frequently, Churches, anywhere.

THEY are not going to keep us safe, it's up to US to train kids to MOVE, to have Evacuation procedures BESIDES Fire.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 07:43 PM
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8. Fight. Help others to fight. Anyway you possibly can.
The first thing you do is make this assumption: somebody walked into to this school with the aim to "blow me away." (to use your euphemism)

Then, realize: you've got to fight with everything you have. If you accept that the guy is there to "blow you away" and *will* kill you, you have to use everything in your meager power to fight and help others to fight.

Holding the door shut while others flee is not being a victim...it's fighting back.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:05 PM
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18. Exactly.
Even the police, who tell everyone not to resist gunmen in things like a bank robbery, are trained to run in *immediately* in an "active" situation, i.e. the guy is shooting people or clearly intending to do so. That's because the odds of survival for people huddling somewhere in the room are really bad if the guy just wants a bodycount.

Lunatics and terrorists need to be tackled or otherwise taken out. Lying on the floor covering your head does not help.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 07:31 PM
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2. Mediation skills
Conflict Management and "self-defense skills"


in that order.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 07:39 PM
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6. Sure, we don't want to create killers
or kids that can beat up their parents. I was a little wary of sending my kid to Karate, what if he KICKED MY Butt after that when I told him to clean his room.

Most of these defense courses teach that the "Thorn is there to protect the ROSE." etc
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 07:47 PM
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10. Sorry, I meant real self-defense -
not a belt-in-a-box "karate" joint that promises a black belt in SIX WEEKS!!

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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 07:31 PM
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3. Fear based nonsense. The incidence is so statistically rare drastic measures aren't needed
Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 07:33 PM by jpgray
We could have campuses and schools ensconced with high security--metal detectors, a legion of armed security guards, former Navy SEALs as teachers, etc. But you know what? Someone would -still- find a way to create a tragedy within that framework. What we have to work out is what cost to our quality of life are we willing to incur to receive a bit of safety in return?

Turn schools into armed camps? Or make certain shiny toys less easy to obtain? Not impossible, just less easy. Which one does the least harm in conjunction with promoting the most security?
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 07:32 PM
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4. But what if they have a pointed stick? - n/t
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 07:45 PM
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9. personally...
i fear the bananas...i mean, good lord.
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 07:43 PM
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7. I say it's time to teach some anger management courses added

to some strict gun laws....
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 07:48 PM
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11. Why is it "urban survival"
This kinda shit don't happen in New York City.

I'm getting a little sick of hearing, every time this shit happens in some rural school, or small town "We never expected something like this to happen ion a town like this. A big city, maybe, but not our town." Really?
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Matsubara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:06 PM
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19. Really. Maybe "suburban survival" would be more apropos...
NT
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 07:48 PM
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12. Rather, lets teach our children
to be open minded, accepting, and loving.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 07:52 PM
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13. I agree for the most part
but at the same time they need to learn how to NOT be mowed down in a hail of lead.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 08:45 PM
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14. Killings are usually done by sickos. Those in need of help.
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 09:54 PM
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17. ...Exactly?
It is for this reason we must be understanding and loving. This way, when somebody needs help, we will be able to recognize it and act accordingly, rather than shunning them and creating this hostility which sadly resulted in tragedy.
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 08:46 PM
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15. No Child Left Unarmed. n/t
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 09:19 PM
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16. The Burleson school district in Texas started to do just that in '06.
Here's the article.

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/students-trained-to-fight-school/20061018103309990004?ncid=NWS00010000000001

Oct. 18) - The Independent School District of Burleson, Texas, just south of Ft. Worth is the first in the country to adopt a policy of training students to immediately fight back and use their advantage in numbers to take tactical control if a gunman enters their classroom.

A group of Texas security experts with a company called "Response Options" has made instructional video tapes showing a gunman bursting into a classroom and being swarmed by students. The instructors tell students to throw their books, book bags, desk and chairs using everything and anything to disrupt and take down a gunman. Robin Browne, a major with the British Army, helped design the training course and says it is necessary for students and teachers to throw themselves into the line of fire.

"This is not a burglar. This is not a bank robber," Browne said. "This is someone who has come onto school property with the express intention of using a deadly weapon to hurt and dominate people who cannot necessarily defend themselves." A person who enters a school, Browne said, "is in the same category as serial killers."

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There was such an outcry against this policy that it was later modified, or dropped completely. I can't remember. Maybe I'll look it up later.

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