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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 07:47 PM
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OK, it is not anyone's fault! It was a horrifying incident. Nothing anyone could have forseen....
or stopped.

I had a knee-jerk reaction at first being angry at the school for not locking down everyone and making sure that the students and the faculty were safe.

It was a terrible tragedy. It is not the fault of gun laws, irresponsible campus administrators, anti-depressant medication, et al..

This guy flipped-out. Know one could have known that he was going to go crazy on the school the way he did. He was obviously mentally ill and not only did the school innocently not catch it, but neither did his family.

You cannot predict these things, if you could we would have never seen any of the mass shootings that we have seen over the years.

I know the boy started a small fire and was stalking someone. But what would have prevented him from walking on the campus and doing the same thing as an expelled student...nothing.

It is just one of those horrible things that occurs in our society.

It is time to relax. Send healing vibes to the families and hope that they can find some peace. Including the family of the shooter.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 08:24 PM
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1. Yep..I never blame people when this type of tragedy happens. It's,,,
Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 08:24 PM by BlueJazz
...always easy to play the Monday-Morning-Quarterback game.
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 08:25 PM
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2. I agree, very well said.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 08:29 PM
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3. My mother and I had the same discussion earlier this evening
There's no way to anticipate something like this. You can't plan for it; there's no defense. What are we going to do - lock up every person who's moody, depressed or unsocial? :shrug:

Sometimes people just snap. That's the way it is. All we can do is hope that we're not around when it happens and offer help, compassion and support to the people who are. :-(
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 08:30 PM
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4. A professor was so alarmed she went to the police about him.
So "nothing anyone could have foreseen" is off the table.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 08:35 PM
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5. If he didn't threaten anyone or break any laws, what could the police have done?
Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 08:36 PM by BattyDem
Seriously. What were their options? :shrug:
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 08:35 PM
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6. haven't seem that aquart.
Heard he was referred to a counselor for the content of his writings.

Really, you need to chill. It is no ones fault! It was a freak happening and quit holding innocent well-meaning people accountable.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 09:09 PM
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9. Gosh, I hope you're being sarcastic.
One of his professors desperately tried to get help for him. He terrified her. Nada.

She went to the cops. She was interviewed and said so. SO PEOPLE WERE INFORMED. PEOPLE KNEW.

I repeat. "Unforeseen" is off the table.

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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 09:24 PM
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10. I have not seen that story yet. If you have a link that would be great.
However, it still would not have stopped the mystifying events. Sometimes unfair and unexplainable things happen in this world. It isn't anyone's fault.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 09:49 PM
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12. Channeling Condoleeza?
This may be unfair but it isn't unexplainable. As for fault...how many people knew this boy was in deep trouble?
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:07 PM
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13. How many people can see into the future?
If someone would have told anyone, ANYONE, that this person was going to slaughter 32 people on July 16th, and then no one did anything; then you would have someone to blame.

As it stands, no one is deserving of the blame for the deaths of 33 people.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 08:43 PM
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7. Kind of gotten to the point where you are about this. All the angst and
Pundits and Specialists raving on for days on the TV...can't really tell us the truth. It just is a terrible thing that happened and somethings ...just can't be explained. Even thought incidents like this are used to forward agenda's for one group or the other...and the issues about this deserve some inward looking...the amount of time spent on it...in the end...comes down to..IT WAS A TRAGEDY. And we are always going to have something like this every few years and it causes us to wonder WHY...and HOW it could have happened.

But, no matter what we do...something like this WILL happen again. We maybe can make it happen less with examination and that's what folks work on. :shrug:
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 08:50 PM
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8. yep - right on, hang a left.
Shit happens. Always has and always will. And it's usually unpredictable.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 09:28 PM
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11. Its not like colleges or K-12 schools really have to prepare for this, ever.
I mean, this happens so infrequently, that no school can be expected to be any good at preventing a shooting. You can't lock the students out of the buildings, so you can't lock armed psychos out, either.

In my K-5 school they've got 70 year old ladies manning the "security" desk. They're usually reading the paper, doing word searches or knitting. If an armed gunman blasts open the glass doors and runs in firing, what in the hell is she really supposed to do about it? What would anyone, short of a swat team, be able to do about it? We can't station swat teams in front of every school in america, and we shouldn't.

Sure, the security personnel didn't do the job, but no other college will have any better responses, unless they're already in a dangerous neighborhood.

This does not, in my mind, say anything about the college or the town.

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