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t0dd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:08 PM
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Poll question: Who do you think is the 1 Senator most likely threatening to filibuster the P.O?
Edited on Fri Oct-23-09 10:17 PM by t0dd
Here is a nice analysis from OpenLeft. And based on past remarks, who do you think it is?

Source: OpenLeft
Multiple anonymous sources (quite a day for anonymous sources, eh?), are telling the Huffington Post that Harry Reid is only one or two votes shy of reaching cloture on health care bill with some sort of opt-out public option:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is just one or two Senate votes shy of having a filibuster-proof majority in favor of a public option for health insurance coverage with a provision allowing states to opt-out, multiple sources tell the Huffington Post.

The first thing to keep in mind is that whip counts don't exactly work on a vote by vote basis. It is true that the leadership keeps a hard count, but many of the members who are considered solid "yes" votes can switch to undecided at times like these. When they sense the leadership really wants something, switching to "undecided" gives members a chance to negotiate something for their district.

Second, for what it is worth, my best guess based on information I have seen is that Evan Bayh is the "one" vote Reid is short (I feel good about that guess), and Ben Nelson is the "or two" vote that Reid is short (although I feel less sure about that guess). Here is why:

* Mark Pryor, Joe Lieberman and Mary Landrieu have all said they are leaning against joining a filibuster. It doesn't mean they are solid yes votes for the reason I stated above, but right now they don't appear to be the main obstacles.

* Max Baucus and Kent Conrad have never threatened to filibuster, and are highly unlikely to do so given both their leadership positions (committee chairs) and their role in crafting the overall legislation.

* Two different sources have given me two different lists of three Democratic Senators who are direct threats to filibuster. While four names total were provided in those two lists, only Evan Bayh and Ben Nelson appeared on both of the lists. Again, take that for what it is worth, since the situation is in flux, and since both I, and my sources, have been wrong before.

* Perhaps most importantly, unlike really any other Senate Democrat, Evan Bayh has directly suggested threatening to filibuster. No other Senate Democrats has made a comment like this:
"It's not fair to ask people to facilitate the enactment of policies with which we ultimately disagree," said moderate Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.). "So the closer we get to the end of the process, the more, for me, the process and policy will be one and the same."

That is a direct threat to filibuster, and it is out in the public record. It strongly leads me to believe that Evan Bayh is the "one" vote that Reid is short.

* While I don't have nearly the same supporting evidence, I think that Ben Nelson is the "or two." He backed away from the opt-out public option yesterday, after initially making some supportive comments. Granted, he isn't threatening to filibuster in the same way that Bayh is, so Nelson might not be the "or two."

More here: http://openleft.com/diary/15667/best-guess-on-the-one-or-two-senate-votes-needed-for-cloture
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Old Codger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:19 PM
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1. Any or all
Rethugs and maybe several bluedick democans
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t0dd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:31 PM
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4. Pretty much
Edited on Fri Oct-23-09 10:33 PM by t0dd
But if we can pinpoint who it is, we can help him or her achieve infamy since this would be a historic first. It's amazing a single one of these narcissists gets to decide the entirety of health care reform. I'm surprised the cowards haven't formed a gang yet.. with Empress Snowe as leader :eyes:
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:29 PM
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2. I think one is Blanch. She's griped about the PO ever since
it was first discussed, and although Liberman probably won't vote for the bill on the floor, he's already said he will not be part of a fillabuster.
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IRemember Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:37 PM
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6. Joe is "inclined" not to join a Republican filibuster
It depends if we meet all his demands and do him some special favors, I'm sure. After all, we wouldn't want him to become irrelevant :sarcasm:
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:30 PM
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3. Joe's been missing the limelight
Stabbing us in the back has always been an effective way to generate the attention he craves.

With this many potential defectors, and with only one of them needed to support a GOP filibuster, I don't think a public option is going to make it.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:33 PM
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5. Roland Burris said he'll filibuster if the public option isn't strong enough!
:)
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 12:32 AM
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13. Awe sh*t, all Schumer, Kerry, or even Biden have to do is glare at him &
he'll toe the line. I'm not worried about Burris at all.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:37 PM
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7. I bet no one does, no Dems anyway. Do they want to go down
in history as trying to defeat the biggest and most important social reform in any of our lifetimes? :shrug: They're nuts if they do.
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Scarsdale Vibe Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:52 PM
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10. If it gets them a nice multi-million job, what do they care about history.
Blanche Lincoln is likely going to lose in 2010, so she'll be looking for a nice health insurance industry job. She's not very wealthy by Senate standards.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 11:22 PM
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11. That would confirm what I've thought about her all along. I guess we'll
Edited on Fri Oct-23-09 11:23 PM by babylonsister
see what's more important to representatives of this country.

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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:38 PM
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8. I voted Lieberman
but it's really a sad statement that it could be any on the list.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:48 PM
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9. Ben Nelson has been the most dismissive of HCR...
I'm worried more about him.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 12:27 AM
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12. Conjecture remains conjecture. n/t
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 12:34 AM
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14. It is probably Bayh
Edited on Sat Oct-24-09 12:35 AM by AllentownJake
of all the Senate Democrats he has the least to worry about for bucking the party. He's up for re-election in a red state that voted for the President by the slimmest of margins and he has a campaign war chest of over 7,000,000. The DSCC can't really threaten him with his war chest.

Also Bayh has shown in the past (stimulus, credit card reform, mortgage reform) a tendency to support big business on every issue and has been the sole source of watering down legislation when he can.

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excess_3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 03:08 AM
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15. Chris Dodd, D - Cigna .nt
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 08:11 AM
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16. Off subject - this has nothing to do with the Public Option
And his stand against wiretapping alone is justification enough to keep him in the Senate. He stood up when no one else would.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-24-09 08:25 AM
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17. You left out "what difference does it make"?
Since only 5% of the public will be allowed to choose it, and it doesn't kick in until 2013.
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