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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:32 PM
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Editor responds to VA Tech photo critics who complained about victim's "private parts."
Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 11:22 PM by Maddy McCall
The photo in question:



(If the photo above doesn't work, here's a link: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=C4&Dato=20070416&Kategori=NEWS07&Lopenr=704160802&Ref=PH )

Biloxi Sun-Herald's editor's response to the complaints he received about putting that photo on his front page:

The photograph of an unidentified victim of the Virginia Tech shooting rampage who is being carried out of Norris Hall Monday by police officers, has raised questions from readers who saw the photo on the front page of Tuesday's Sun Herald. Several have inquired about the condition of the young man. Others have called voicing the concern that a private part of the man's anatomy is shown in the photograph.

Sun Herald editors selected the photograph to be the dominant image on our front page because it showed the gripping drama that occurred on the Virginia Tech campus Monday in its most human terms. We believe the photo represents the best of photojournalism, a moment in time recorded forever of people responding to the event where the evil actions of one man claimed the greatest death toll of any shooting spree in U.S. history. There were many good photographs taken Monday, but in our judgment this was the best. The photo, taken by Alan Kim, a staff photographer from the Roanoke Times and distributed by The Associated Press, has been widely shown by news organizations around the globe, on television and in newspapers and websites.

Our "cutline," the information describing the photograph, was limited, because the circumstances would not allow the photographer to gather information relating to the victim's identification or his condition, given the dynamic moment in which the picture was taken.

In response to reader concerns I called Kathleen Carroll, a Mississippi native who is the Associated Press Executive Editor, to see if she could answer their questions. As of about 1 p.m. EDT Carroll did not know the name of the man in the photo, or his condition.

The AP is seeking to determine this information, and we will post those facts as soon as they are available. As to the matter of the possibility that the man's genitalia has been shown in the photo, Carroll said she did not believe that was the case.

"We looked really closely and don't think it is that. We looked at the photo with the most sophisticated equipment and we don't think it is genitalia. We believe it could be a tourniquet or a piece of clothing." She told me that had the AP thought it was genitalia it would have flagged the photo in a way that would have alerted editors so they could have factored this into their decision to publish the image or not. Carroll characterized the photo as "an enormously important image as it shows the dreadful consequences of the gunman."

We agree on the importance of the photo, and we agree the part of the photo that some have taken to be genitalia is not.

- Stan Tiner

- Executive Editor

***************

Ok...the most tragic school shooting in US history occurs, and this paper's readers are pissed because they think an unidentified man's schlong was shown in a photo of him being rescued? :wtf:

(As has been revealed in numerous news outlets today, the student is Kevin Sterne, a former eagle scout who had the wherewithal to apply a tourniquet after being shot. That's part of the tourniquet in the photo above. Kevin is in stable condition.)
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:34 PM
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1. His penis is in the back of his leg...
and he's got an erection?

Seriously, who the hell are these people?
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:39 PM
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38. He definitely looks like he's been circumcized... but then again, I ran out of pixels.
Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 11:45 PM by Radio_Lady
:sarcasm:
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:35 PM
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2. Some local radio idiots were actually making fun of this poor guy
Saying he'd "pitched a tent." People can be such heartless fuckers sometimes. Well, often.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:36 PM
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3. Priorities, you know, priorities.
:banghead:
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:36 PM
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4. Bet those same readers are still more outraged about Clinton's BJ
than by Bush's lust for war.

I swear there are people who see something sexual in everything.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. I think these same readers...
are the sort of people who go through Disney cartoons frame by frame looking for subliminal messages.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #6
40. No wonder so many Pedos are Repukes
Filthy, filthy minds
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:36 PM
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5. That is a really dumbass concern considering the situation
and even if it were, indeed a part of of the man's anatomy, DAMN!

Glad the man is ok, may he recover fully, quickly, and lead a full and happy life.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:39 PM
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7. Yeah, Cause Like 12 Inch Flacid Penii Are Commonplace. Friggin Idiots.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #7
14. And you would know this, how?
:hide:

:rofl:
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:39 PM
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8. Classic
This is the same reason why self-righteous evangelists get caught consorting with prostitutes or molesting little boys. The prudes of the world are trying sooo hard not to see sex everywhere, but dammit, they just can't help it. It's an obsession with them.

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jollyreaper2112 Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:40 PM
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9. If that's the case....
If that's the case then he really is the big man on campus.

WTF is up with these people? When I saw that piece of crap Starship Troopers in the theater, there was a woman with her two young kids sitting in front of me. She was fine with the dismemberment but made them cover their eyes for the coed shower scenes. WTF?


"They train young men to drop fire on people from the sky but they are not allowed to write the word "fuck" on their aircraft for it is obscene."

I had the misfortune of seeing the mauling picture of the guy who tried to make friends with the bears. It was fairly grusome seeing as he was literally half-eaten. His crotch was exposed in the mauling and in the midst of closing the window I thought "You know, if this was shown on national teevee some people would be complaining about the gore and others would complain about the penis." I then thought "Nah, the complaints would have to be about the gore, the penis is incidental." Shows how much I know.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:42 PM
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10. Are they fucking KIDDING?
Guy is being carried, maybe dead for all we know, and they're worried that his penis is showing?? My God. What's wrong with these people?
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:43 PM
Response to Original message
11. My objection to that photo is that I hope the kid wasn't hurting while
he was being carried like that.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #11
50. Of course he was hurting
he had a gunshot wound. Given the option of being hauled off by four cops who didn't have a stretcher handy and languishing in a pool of my own blood, however, I'd let them haul me off.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:43 PM
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12. Obviously a woman who complained
And not a very "experienced" woman at that.
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:43 PM
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13. I must have seen that picture a dozen times today and yesterday...
and never once did I think to look at that guy's crotch. It's a tragic scene of a man bleeding to death being carried out by police officers and people are worried that maybe, possibly his genitals are showing?!? wow people really need to get a hobby
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. I do think that newspaper shouldn't have shown the photo if that
was the case. After all the guy is helpless and I doubt he would have wanted to be exposed in front of the world. But I don't think anything of that nature is showing, it's probably the piece of clothing.
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #17
45. Yep, I just thought it was his belt, too


Not that it ever really crossed my mind; I was more repelled by the blood on the poor man's leg. I guess I have a different outlook on life from the ones who're complaining about the pic.

:shrug:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:46 PM
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15. I really think all those that complained about this image need
to go get their eyes examined. :freak:

Glad the man is going to be okay.

God bless all of them and God bless those that saw the image as wrong for what they thought it was exposing. It did expose something, something deep in their wee little minds.

:banghead:


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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. Thank YOU for giving me the heads up on this.
I couldn't believe it when you told me...then I read this:

http://www.sunherald.com/278/story/33614.html

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:55 PM
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19. I have a confession
Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 10:56 PM by merh
I asked you to read it because I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT, I needed someone else to read and react as you did, just so I could be sure I hadn't lost my mind.

This is my community's newspaper :eyes:

edited to add: :blush:



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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #19
32. "Bless me, Father, for I have sinned... I saw a photo in the newspaper...
and I know it was... well, Father, just unzip me and I'll show you what I thought..."

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:49 PM
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18. One of the doctors mentioned a man who had the presence of mind to make a
Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 11:34 PM by Radio_Lady
tourniquet out of electric wires -- because he had a three centimeter tear in his femoral (leg) artery and recognized that he was in danger of bleeding to death.

I really could care less if it's a man-made tourniquet or a God-given penis, as long as he is alive.

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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. Radio_Lady, at the risk of being indiscreet.
If a college boy made a tourniquet out of his penis, I so DO NOT want him anywhere near my daughter.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #22
30. LOL. You know about the "well endowed" man who figured out his Halloween party costume?
He threw "it" over his shoulder and went as a gasoline pump!

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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #22
42. LOL! This is a true short story:
In high school we swam naked in gym class. I guess they don't any more, but anyway one kid in our class named Tex something, was extremely well endowed, as they say. He regularly demonstrated the ability to tie his pecker in a knot.
Needless to say, it got him a lot of attention. ;-)
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. Karl, I once knew a fellow who could tie his tongue in a knot...
But that other appendage? No way...

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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #42
48. OMG!! I think I married him.
:rofl:

Just kidding. :hi:
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. Oh, lucky you!!! Do you get to untie it?
Oh... Just kidding!
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 02:32 AM
Response to Reply #42
55. We had a guy like that
when we'd swim in the gravel pits you could always count on him to make TWO SPLASHES when he hit the water :)

Then, if you needed to track him in the winter, you just looked for three line in the snow...
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #18
31. Three Centimeter Tear, Not Three Inch Tear
Three inches and he probably would not have time to make the tourniquet.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. Oops! You're absolutely right... sorry. I am not used to the metric system and will fix that...
Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 11:36 PM by Radio_Lady
Edited for correction...

Thanks for the nudge!
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jollyreaper2112 Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #18
35. wow...
What if it was a tourniquet made out of a penis? Obviously from Nantucket.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #35
37. Come on... I know there's a limerick in here somewhere!
Your turn...

I'm too pooped to pop...

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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:58 PM
Response to Original message
20. Dear god, what would these people have said
about Nick Ut's Pulitzer-winning photo of the girl who was running from the napalm firebomb behind her?

"Dear Associated Press: In reading your coverage of the recent firebombing of Trang Bang, I noticed that a subject of one of your photos was wearing no clothing."

:banghead:

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #20
39. I've often thought about that photo. She was completely naked...
Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 11:44 PM by Radio_Lady
but young enough to not have any secondary sexual characteristics (or they may have been burned off).

What if she had had breasts and public hair? I do not think the photo would have been published.

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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #39
44. It's a shame that our cultural prejudices
would ever have anything to do with our interpretation of human suffering.

It's a shame. We have evolved the tools to control our world but not the wisdom to appreciate its worth.

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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:59 PM
Response to Original message
21. Umm I believe your little WTF symbol says it all, nothing more to add
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:21 PM
Response to Original message
23. Shoot, neither the picture nor the link are working for me.
N/T.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. Try the new link
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. They're both working now.
Thanks.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:27 PM
Response to Original message
26. OMG. Don't tell me.
It was the Church Lady?
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:27 PM
Response to Original message
27. OMG, Americans need to get over it! We all have bodies!!
*gasp* And most of them have gentalia! *gasp* And sometimes, those parts are used for sex, but mostly not!

OMFG. People piss me off. People have sexual bodies that have sex, get over it already, and if you can't, at least look at the fucking context!!
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:28 PM
Response to Original message
28. What sick freaks thought it was a penis?
Must be someone who hasn't seen one in way too long.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. That's what I was thinking. Mistaken identity for sure.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:33 PM
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33. They should have responded by printing the whole front page as a picture of a penis
that'll show those whiners
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:36 PM
Response to Original message
36. Oh, that's just beyond silly.
Glad to know some folks don't lose their priorities in a crisis.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:48 PM
Response to Original message
41. What in the hell do these people think this kid is?
A freakin' mule? Sheesh.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:50 PM
Response to Original message
43. So... a dangling belt looks like a penis?
When I first saw the posted pic and enlarged it (sorry... poor choice of words), I thought it was the little pink knob at the top of the victims shorts that was being referred to. I didn't even notice the belt until afterward. :shrug:
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 11:54 PM
Response to Original message
46. I think it's a non-pneumatic tourniquet.
There also appears to be a compression mark on his thigh where the tourniquet was originally placed. It looks like it was then moved to the upper thigh.



Either that, or the fellow has a lot to live for.
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 12:03 AM
Response to Original message
51. Is anyone reminded of that South Park episode?
where Butters gets a throwing star in his eye and everyone's more outraged that Cartman shows his dick on stage than Butters losing an eye

I'm just glad that was a penis, I thought it was his intestine at first.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 01:43 AM
Response to Original message
52. More on him saving his own leg with a wire cord
Edited on Wed Apr-18-07 01:43 AM by rainbow4321
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173350800875

Tourniquets saved the life of a Virginia Tech student whose photo was widely used across the nation yesterday and today.

The photo appeared on Page A5 of today’s Richmond Times-Dispatch print edition and on Page One of The TD’s Extra print edition yesterday about the massacre.

The student, an Eagle Scout, wrapped a wire cord around his leg to staunch the bleeding, Dr. Stoeckle said. When emergency medical technicians arrived, they placed a tourniquet belt around the leg and saved his life, the physician said. The belt can be seen on the student’s leg in the photo.

“He was an incredible guy,” said Dr. Stoeckle, who declined to name the student because of privacy concerns, although the student was identified later by his parents. Without the student’s own treatment and the technicians’ action, there’s a good chance he would have died, Dr. Stoeckle said.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 02:19 AM
Response to Original message
53. OMG Genitals OMFG What are we going to do

Americans have genitals

I thought the Puritans had resolved this problem....
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 02:25 AM
Response to Original message
54. On a more serious note
The people that complained about the young mans genitals showing are

SICK FUCKS...

To over look the Humanity in this picture in favor of complaining about inadvertent

nudity is just fucking sick what in the name of fuck is Wrong with these uptight assholes

GAWD!!
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