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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 09:24 AM
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Fineman: Obama's pointless bipartisanship in the face of what amounts to a sitdown strike
Howard Fineman:


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But the pursuit of Snowe is pretty close to obsessive, which is not a good thing either for Democrats or for the prospects of health-care reform worthy of the name. First, Snowe's exaggerated prominence is both the result and symbol of Obama's quixotic and ultimately time--wasting pursuit of "bipartisanship." In case the White House hasn't noticed, Republicans in Congress are engaged in what amounts to a sitdown strike. They don't like anything about Obama or his policies; they have no interest in seeing him succeed. Despite the occasional protestation to the contrary, the GOP has no intention of helping him pass any legislation. Snowe may very well end up voting for whatever she and Democrats craft, but that won't make the outcome bipartisan any more than dancing shoes made Tom DeLay Fred Astaire.

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The notion that she is inspiring other Republicans to join the cause of reform falls apart when you see who is falling in line. A few prominent Republicans indeed said nice things about the Senate Finance Committee bill—the one on which Snowe was the only Republican vote. But that praise, from former GOP Senate lead-ers Bob Dole and Howard Baker and former HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson, loses its impact once you realize that all three of them work for major Washington law firms, whose clients include most of the big corporate players in the health-care industry. Theirs is rented bipartisanship, on retainer or billed by the hour.

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In their stubborn belief that Snowe's blessing will stand as a testament to Obama's powers of inclusiveness, the president and his Democratic allies seem to have lost sight of the real point of all this flattery and praise: the need to pass a bill Americans can actually understand and that will make health care secure for all while also reducing costs. The symbolism of Snowe gets them no closer to that.

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Worse, the pursuit of Snowe isn't uniting Democrats; it is dividing them.

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Meanwhile, digby takes no prisoners:



I keep imagining conversations in the White House right now, where Obama turns to Rahm and says, "You promised that if made these deals with the industry we'd get at least 15 Republicans on board. Now our whole bipartisan argument depends on Olympia Snowe?"

Rahm replies, "I know Mr President. But no matter how much money the industry gave them, the Republicans refused to go along. They won't give us any cover for this no matter how much it costs them.

Obama: So maybe we should just pass the bill with the public option and get it over with ...

Rahm: But, sir. That would mean breaking our word to the industry.

Obama: What about our supporters?

Rahm: You never promised them a public option, remember?

Obama: Right, right. Thank God for that, eh?

Rahm: Damn straight. Nothing makes a president of either party look more bipartisan than sticking it to the Democratic base. Independents will reward us next November.

Obama: And if they don't?

Rahm: We'll blame it on the bloggers...





Unless and until we obliterate the role of corporate money in our elections and legislative processes, we will never achieve a government that truly has the well-being of the American citizenry as its priority.







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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 09:32 AM
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1. some people really want to be liked by people who hate them, thus giving haters power nt
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 12:15 PM
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21. I employed that line of thinking for years, and then I grew up!
:) :) :)
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alllyingwhores Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 03:22 PM
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27. BIPARTISANSHIP=STRAW MAN...and why in the F__K does everyone pretend otherwise???
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 09:33 AM
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2. this'll be an interesting thread to keep track of. nt
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 09:51 AM
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3. I think Obama's pursuit of Snowe's vote is to make sure that they get some sort of PO.
Even if it is a trigger. I don't think it's about bi-partisanship in this case.

Now, in either case, I don't agree with Obama. He should be twisting the arms of Nelson, Baye, and others to get cloture votes for the opt-out option; not trying to water down the PO just to get a vote. Some here might not like it, but the opt-out option is a million times better than the trigger.
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SoBascom Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 09:52 AM
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4. Is there a statue of Olympia in the Oval Office or what
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 10:03 AM
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5. Damn, I"m glad to hear him say this! I truly don't get it. Getting Snowe on board
and no other Repubican is NOT what I call "bipartisan," particularly if you sell your soul to get it and then get sham hc reform that will fall apart like a house of cards, leaving us in worse condition than we are already in...

Please, someone reassure me that Obama is playing 3-D chess again and he will pull off a masterful ploy that will get us a meaningful PO in the end...
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 10:37 AM
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7. Sadly, the only practical solution was shoved off the table at the outset. Single Payer.
Edited on Mon Oct-26-09 10:50 AM by seafan
We have been subjected to the worst form of betrayal by those we sent to Washington to represent us. The only people getting *representation* are the fat cats who happily pay for it with our money.


We the People have no effective advocate in Washington, with the exception of a few brave voices who, because they have been pushed to the side and ignored, have no power on their own to lead the rest out of this morass. There are plenty of leaders among the citizenry, but amidst the torrent of media propaganda, they are drowned out.


The past 30 years have devastated America's soul. The lives of We the People are simply a resource to be exploited.



I dream of the day that comes when people of conscience control the White House, the House, the Senate and the courts; perhaps then, we will reverse this tragic decline in the quality of our lives in America.


It is very difficult to contemplate all of this, especially as all we subsist upon is the crumbs that fall from the military-industrial-corporate banquet table. America's gutted structure lies in waste on that table.



Sorry I couldn't reassure you, CTyankee. Harsh, learned cynicism really, really sucks. I'll get better.


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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:09 AM
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9. I could not agree with you more.

It's painfully obvious that we have been sold out.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:45 AM
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18. Seafan, great post. Heartbreaking and disgusting, but true.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 12:41 PM
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23. Thanks, chimpymustgo. I'm better today.... I think. n/t
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 01:43 AM
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30. You are expressing my feelings exactly.
Edited on Wed Oct-28-09 01:48 AM by truedelphi
Part of what I find truly disturbing is Obama getting out there and saying
"Oh I truly promise, all ye powers of might and wonder, that whatever HCR bill is brought forward will be deficit neutral."

Why is he promising anyone that? Why is he not mentioning what he knows just as surely as he knows that in setting up Bernanke and Geithner he is aiding those who contributed to him from Wall Street, while hurting the rest of us.

Barack Obama knows quite well that the whole reason that health care in this nation is expensive is because of the price fixing and price manipulating that the health insurance "providers" have put so much time and effort in.

Why is it for instance, that in Lake County, I have had two $ 700 visits to the emergency room, run by Sutter Hospital. But when I lived in Marin County, no one I knew ever had a ER visit for less than $ 3,000? (the hospital there was also run by Sutter.)

How much does an emergency room visit cost? Why should it cost much more than what you get. If you re seeing a doctor, who would be on the premises ANYWAY, and he spends one ten minute slot of time with you, how is that worth $ 3,000?

Why is medication that costs 6 cents for 400 pills for its manufacture be allotted to We the Consumers for $ 182 for 20 pills? And so on.

Obama carefully avoided any REAL DISCUSSION of the costs of health care. The behind the scene costs.

Instead we have different government agencies stepping forward with different estimates for how much each of any different Health Care Reform plan might cost for the next ten years. As if the inflated costs that the health insurers have extorted from us are legitimate costs.

Yes no one has discussed the fact that there are no clothes on the Emperor of Health Costs. That that Emperor's garments are wholly fabricated and then handed down to We the Consumers by the disgusting parasites known as the insurance industry.

Without having this all imporatant discussion, Obama has made me realize that he is truly just as Che Guevara would describe him, "a negotiated solution." That is, Obama is someone chosen by the inner circle of those who are the True Powers, and his purpose is in helping us digest and accept the same policies that the mean old dictator we recently deposed would have had us commit to, but in a much more personable and much gentler manner.

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kaehele Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:40 PM
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33. In the FWIW category . . .
I think many of us voted for Obama at least partly because we were near despair with the cynicism of GWB et al. and longed for a person capable of idealism as well as eloquence, thought, and leadership. Something tells me that Obama's patently absurd flirtation with bipartisanship is the result of that idealism. I think he is wrong; I think he makes himself look a tad ridiculous; I think he strengthens the repubs. But at least I can still convince myself that the genesis of his behavior is noble rather than craven.:wtf:
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 04:53 PM
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34. I would not criticize your belief in his nobility
Edited on Wed Oct-28-09 04:54 PM by truedelphi
Except that the fact remains - people who wanted an "in" on the Health care reform debate were told to cough up $ 30,000 for a seat at a lunch. Obama did not meet with his own personal, former physician to discuss Single Payer, as that person did not have the $ 30 K.

Yet Obama somehow could afford to spend the time listening to every other nitwit RW nut job at Town Hall meetings across the nation... Why is it that when he is being so "inclusive" as to be "bipartisan" that he somehow always ALWAYS excludes the Progressives? That tells me everything I need to know about his "idealism."

Charging 30K for a seat at the HCR lunches... How is that making good on his promise to "change the way that business is done in Washington?"

How is a one thousand plus page HCR reform bill the "transperency" that he promised?

I would settle for less "nobility" and more tenacious leadership.
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kaehele Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 12:33 PM
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35. Compelling thoughts
Framing it as you do, I am forced to shift the kaleidoscope a tad. Thanks for jiggling my brain.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 02:48 AM
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31. Pursuing Snowe's support is just cover for selling *us* out to corporate interests.
That's all. They don't need Olympia Snowe. The notion is absurd. Calling her singular support "bipartisan" is absurd, as is the assumption that bipartisanship is what the public wants.

Corporate Democrats (and Obama is definitely one of them) always find new reasons why policy needs to be more corporate.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 10:15 AM
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6. Folks
I think Emannuel is pushing Obama to get Snowe...he doesn't want the public option and he thinks that Snowe's "trigger" is going to sink the ship...I don't think he gives Obama good advice...
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:11 AM
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10. I don't really buy the Rahm is running the show argument
Edited on Mon Oct-26-09 11:12 AM by AllentownJake
Remember, the President pursued Rahm after Rahm helped him whip votes in the House for TARP,

To quote the President "We make a great Team"
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 01:03 PM
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25. Rahm is the boss of Obama?
Dream on.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:03 AM
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8. I think Digby nails it....from what I'm seeing of the process...
:shrug:
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:39 AM
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11. I agree.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 12:12 PM
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12. The digby piece is spot on.
K&R
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:49 PM
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13. Pursuing bipartisanship is what made the repubs dig in their heels
it's what made them scream "no" all the time. They had to take a stand against health care reform. If the dems had just rammed something through, the repubs would have had more cover. Now it's very clear to everyone just where they stand. I'm not sure that was the objective to pursuing the bipartisanship, but I think it was the results. It showed the repubs for the obstructionists that they are.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:04 AM
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15. sure, but we still have a shitty public option....
...and that will be bad for health care and bad for the democrats politically. lose-lose.

does anyone think the public option as it now exists is good for anyone, the people, democrats?

nobody in their right mind, anyway.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 11:44 AM
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19. Reids bill is toothless
The Democrats are toothless.

Obama's insistence on bipartisanship in the face of a GOP that is trying to destroy him is pathetic
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:54 PM
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14. Recommend
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:37 AM
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16. In a perfect world ALL Americans would have had health K&R
Edited on Tue Oct-27-09 08:39 AM by Tippy
Care years ago...We have been electing the wrong people....Politicians want to talk the talk but are not interested in walking walk...An we continue to send them back to Washington on a chance they may change...For a long time now I've said "the hell with bipartisanship"
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Rudy Adams Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:38 AM
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17. Hell. I'LL rec that
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 12:12 PM
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20. "...than dancing shoes made Tom DeLay Fred Astaire..."
Edited on Tue Oct-27-09 12:29 PM by xxqqqzme
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:


Sorry, that's the reaction of a former dancer.

I keep looking at the end result of all these theatrics. My kids have insurance they can not actually use; my daughter's premiums are outrageous and my son's employer offers insurance w/ high premiums he cannot afford. If my son could afford the premiums, the high deductible makes it useless. I just hope there is a program available for them. Healthcare reform is for future generations.

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Last Stand Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 12:25 PM
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22. They are LAUGHING at Obama and his little bipartisan fantasy.
And until he gets the joke, they are exploiting it as much as they can, watering down everything he puts in front of them.

In the face of no evidence whatsoever that the bipartisan experiment is working, Obama will continue to bid against himself based on the silly notion that a party that is based on the immovable ideology of pure opposition will somehow see the merits to his platform. Yeah, right.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 12:44 PM
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24. It is my hope that he is making every effort to be bipartisan so that it is
clear who the obstructionists and corporatists are. After making the attempt and incorporating republican amendments, he will pursue bills as they ought to be crafted.

Pretty soon, it will be possible to make an overall case against the republicans as bumps on a log. They've set records for filibustering, they have opposed anything Obama is for, they haven't prepared alternative strategies for stimulus or health care. They lie about successes of programs under Obama...it will be obvious who is helping and who is not.

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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 02:31 PM
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26. The Fineman piece was polite; the Digby piece is too tragically true.
Kick because I'm too late to rec.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 04:35 PM
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28. Obama did promise a public option -- a much stronger one than we appear likely to get.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 10:48 PM
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29. There's a Bi-Partisanship Imbecile loose in the White House Strategy Room. Somebody
get the guys in the white coats, please.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 02:45 PM
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32. This should be periodically kicked to remind people
Thanks!
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