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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 03:27 PM
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The Public Option WORKS in Tenessee.
http://www.jamesreport.com/articles_details.php?The-Magic-of-TennCare-Public-Option-Insurance-275

{Marsha} Blackburn carefully uses words to cast TennCare as "a {failed} public option government run insurance program." However, as Paul Harvey would put it, here is the rest of the story:

TennCare was mismanaged, there were cost overruns, and there was over usage. The mismanagement, cost overruns, and over usage occurred during Republican Gov. Don Sundquist's term as governor. During his eight years, Sundquist failed to manage TennCare appropriately. This mismanagement led to the income tax fight Blackburn talks about, a fight led by the Republican governor.

Blackburn does not mention the work of Gov. Phil Bredesen, the current Democratic governor. Under Bredesen's term, Bredesen tackled TennCare and reformed the program. Bredesen accomplished his reform by reducing the number of people being covered, bringing costs under control, and establishing new programs providing coverage to Tennesseans. Bredesen's reform also provided affordable coverage by creating Cover Tennessee, a low cost public option health insurance program. After completing his reform, Bredesen ran for reelection. He won, winning every county in Tennessee. People apparently learned from the successes of public option insurance.

Under these programs, Tennessee imposes rules and regulations, while private health insurance companies provide the coverage for TennCare, TennKids and Cover Tennessee. Additionally, consumers and the State can negotiate the best rate possible for each of the programs. Cover Tennessee, which is the true public option insurance, is running successfully in Tennessee. Costs have been contained, and the program is providing valuable services for the people of Tennessee.

Gov. Bredesen did not propose an income tax to pay for any of the" public option" insurance programs.*


Here is the Cover Tennessee website:
http://www.covertn.gov/web/cover_tn.html

And here is a UT poll on satisfaction of TennCare (including Cover Tennessee)
http://www.utk.edu/tntoday/2009/08/24/ut-study-satisfaction-with-tenncare-remains-high-number-of-uninsured-children-declines/

~snip~
According to CBER’s report, there are an estimated 616,967 uninsured Tennesseans, which represents about 10 percent of the state’s population. Although the number of uninsured is somewhat higher now than a year ago, the difference is not statistically significant. However, the percentage of uninsured children (3.7 percent) is down more than 1 percent from last year (4.9 percent), and the percentage of uninsured adults (11.9 percent) is higher than last year (10.6 percent).

~snip~
“While financial pressures continue to limit people from obtaining coverage, 3 percent indicate that they just did not get around to securing it, and 5 percent indicate that a major reason is that they do not need insurance,” the report notes.

As for the quality of medical care they receive, “both Tennesseans in general and Medicaid/TennCare recipients are reporting quality ratings that are at their highest since TennCare’s inception in 1994.”

The study also looks at where Medicaid/TennCare recipients initially seek medical care — the doctor’s office or the hospital emergency room. Since 1994, there has been a general decline in the percentage of Medicaid/TennCare recipients who seek initial health care at hospital emergency rooms.*


So, if those who "never got around to it" and those who "don't think they need it" were mandated to get insurance, 98% of TN's population would be insured. Thanks to a DEM Governor who gave us, among other things, a Public Option.

*emphasis added in quotations.


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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 03:39 PM
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1. In a true public option, the government is the insurer.
"private health insurance companies provide the coverage for TennCare, TennKids and Cover Tennessee."
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 03:46 PM
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3. Perhaps, but the Government sets the rules and regulations
and the work is simply contracted out, just like a lot of government programs. Regardless, it works. And it proves that a Public Option on a national scale able to take advantage of economy of scale would work, also.
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 03:43 PM
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2. How will mandating it make it affordable?
Your third link indicates that:

The report also looks at why people don’t have insurance. In 2009, as in past years, “can’t afford it” remains the primary reason.

That sentence is followed by the one you bolded about the 3% and the 5% . . . it rather suggests that if those percentages come from a survey of 100% of the people who do not have insurance, than the PRIMARY reason that 92% of those don't have it is because they can't afford it.

I think you need to revisit your maths - mandating insurance to people who don't have it because they can't afford it isn't going to insure 98% of the population in TN . . . it will apparently put 92% of the currently uninsured on the wrong side of a new law, because they can't afford it.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 04:08 PM
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7. Sorry, I might have misread that portion of it. It did say that "can't
afford it" is the #1 reason among the still uninsured, and you are probably correct.

However, I do support a mandate which is why I supported Edwards' plan in the early primaries over Obama's. I personally don't believe you can acheive universality without a mandate. And if you have everyone participating, that means more revenue which will lower costs. A privately run company would just keep those profits, but one controlled by the government would be required to lower premiums and make them more affordable. Plus, a mandate would come with subsidies as well as exemptions. As for those who don't feel they need it, when accidents or unexpected events occur they won't be forced to default on their health care costs which currently helps drive up the costs.

Regardless, the TN model does show that the Public Option works even without a mandate.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 03:46 PM
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4. Yes and the Governor is term limited
and a democrat.

One would think if you were looking to implement a national public option this particular Governor would be a possible choice for HHS.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 04:07 PM
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6. His name actually was thrown around after Daschle failed
eventually, of course, Obama settled on Sebelius.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 04:11 PM
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8. I'm sure Kathy is doing a great job
I'm just so glad we grabbed the most promising politician who could run in a red state and put her in charge of the most controversial intiative in the Administration's platform.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 04:18 PM
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9. MoveOn lobbyied against him for HHS, saying he "gutted"
TennCare. He did have to make deep cuts at first, because of the mess the previous Republican admin had left him (sound familiar?). But he was able to eventually reform the program and turn it into a success.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 04:20 PM
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10. I'm not the biggest fan in the world of Moveon
They do good things, but they can be a little bit stupid and counter productive at times.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 04:22 PM
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12. I agree. Most of the time I like them, but sometimes.... GRRRR! nt
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bobburgster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 03:53 PM
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5. Wow, that's quite interesting.
I'm going to read up on that program. Might even get somewhere with reps. since we're talking Tennessee :)
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 04:21 PM
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11. And notice that this Dem Gov was reelected by winning EVERY COUNTY
in a RED state after reforming health care. Maybe this is what the Republicans are REALLY worried about!
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bobburgster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 03:04 AM
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13. I'm surprised!
I know that election result is pretty dramatic.

Why hasn't the national democratic party jumped on to this plan?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 11:15 AM
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19. His challenger was a nobody
Republicans really just couldn't get their shit together in that election. I'm sure he would've been re-elected regardless but his win in every county isn't entirely because of his popularity.
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Crabitha Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 03:24 AM
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14. An anecdote about TennCare
I have a couple of friends who are conservative right wing Republicans. They listen to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and the whole bit. But when they were living in Tennessee, and the husband couldn't afford insurance even though he's a lawyer, because of previous heart attacks, and his wife's health problems, they were covered by TennCare. They didn't mind being in that program even though they are conservative right wingers. It makes me wonder just how many right wingers would really forego any benefits they could get from government programs.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 10:54 AM
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17. Amazing, isn't it? nt
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bobburgster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 02:54 PM
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20. Little different when the "shoe" is on your foot.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 04:54 AM
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15. National public option proposals do not, unfortunately, include government setting of prices
Mandated private insurance works fine in the Netherlands because the government dictates the allowable range of prices. They pay about 100 euros/month. NO co-pays or deductibles. NO age rating.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 06:00 AM
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16. Wasn't DU all up in arms a while back when TennCare was cutting the # of eligible people?
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 11:05 AM
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18. Many people were. But, as it turns out many of those on the roles
should not have been. The vetting process was severly flawed and many people on TennCare roles weren't even living in TN. All you needed was a PO Box #. Others had other options available to them, but chose to be on TennCare because it was a "Cadillac" plan that they could get on the cheap - even though they could afford private plans.

I also remember seeing video of Bredesen in the TennCare call center actually taking calls to get a first-hand appraisal. It was amusing to see him answer the phone and say "This is Phil, may I help you?". The first thing he said about his experience was that it was obvious that these people could not do their jobs with the outdated equipment they were using and a lot of long-term cost saving would result from getting them the equipment they needed.

Yes, there is no doubt that some of the people cut from TennCare roles in the beginning probably did need to be on it. However, as I said before Bredesen inherited an absolute mess from his Republican predecessor (sound familiar). Increasing tax revenue was not an option as his predecessor discovered. Therefore, he had to take drastic action. As a result, he was able to reform the system and eventually add programs that would better serve all.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 04:00 PM
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21. So if I'm uninsurable and move to Tennessee will I be covered?
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