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leanderj (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:16 AM Original message |
Vidal on Polanski's 13 y/o victim: "a young hooker feels as though she’s been taken advantage of" |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
1. Very sensitive approach. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
2. ... |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
3. Sounds like you don't like Mr. Vidal. |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Quoting something Vidal said in an interview |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Hey...if someone wants to attach what he said (and it is disgusting) to his works. |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #15 |
29. Yes it does |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #29 |
73. I like Gore Vidal but that doesn't stop him from being an asshole. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
13. Sound like you like what Mr. Vidal said. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. About this? Hell no. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #3 |
32. Where does this come from? Vidal's comment was despicable, |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
49. Attacking someones appearance |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
61. Where on earth did that come from? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. Deleted message |
geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
79. Vidal is a sexist, rape applauding pig. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
4. Well, I've lost every bit of respect I ever had for Vidal. n/t |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. If that was the intended goal, it doesn't make me think any different of his other views |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
62. Halo Effect |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #62 |
81. When somebody says something as vile as Vidal has here |
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Fla_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
99. Already there. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
5. Her name should NEVER have been released |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
6. all females are whores. isnt this the meme. nt |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Well, she *was* already sexually active. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. we have gone from a gender of madonna/whore to simply whores.... today. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. I suspect Gore's view alludes to overarching motive rather than sexual activity sans context |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #14 |
25. Who is using him and how? |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. The OP intentionally singled out the Polanksi case, that's how |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #14 |
27. "What are “American values”? Lying and cheating. There’s nothing better." |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #14 |
28. someone who opines that a "13 year old hooker" has no value |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
133. I concur. I think the OP has some type of underlying purpose... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #133 |
135. calling a raped 13 yr old a hooker, and you blame du for being reactionary. |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:08 AM Response to Reply #135 |
139. apparently there is more to the story, and more to the interview.... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:14 AM Response to Reply #139 |
142. i know this. and still, .... the man stated, a raped 13 yr old girl is a hooker. |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:17 AM Response to Reply #142 |
143. And guess what: SHE MAY HAVE BEEN A HOOKER at the time. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #143 |
144. Deleted message |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #143 |
145. i have to take a shower. she wasnt a virgin so she was a hooker. nt |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #143 |
149. you got my post deleted. what you say is disgusting and mentality of 70's. not brutal stranger rape |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #143 |
152. Oh. My. Fucking. God. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #152 |
155. unless virgin, she is a whore being paid. nt |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #155 |
159. And if she doesn't go to the hospital right after, she's probably lying. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #159 |
160. especially since she is fuckin 13 being taken home by rapist and we didnt even get to say |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #160 |
162. And because she knew what the drugs were, she probably brought them. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #162 |
165. as we read in 2009 about a girl gang raped two hours with male spectators enjoying |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #165 |
166. And why would anyone get emotionally charged over it? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #159 |
163. girls/women were not encourage or told to go to hospital. lets use time only when convenient, like |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #163 |
164. I never went to the hospital. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #164 |
167. and the asshole rapist drove her home. excuse me rapist, take me to hospital |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #155 |
173. You didn't know that? I thought it was common knowledge, |
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cmkramer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #139 |
194. I remember the "hooker" story |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #133 |
178. Amazing, isn't it. Internet forums provide fantastic social experiments |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #178 |
184. Use the title of this thread. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
104. And she was drinking and drugged. Which means she consented. eom |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #6 |
20. I don't think I've ever read that "all females are whores", anywhere, in my whole life. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
51. To Mr. Vidal, apparently |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. knock me on my ass |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
52. dupe |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
9. what a disgusting thing to say. may you go to **** hell. |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
11. Wow. I hate the feeling of respect evaporating. |
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tonysam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
16. I suppose Vidal has the right to his opinion, |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. you're misusing the word witchhunt. And what Geimer wants is totally irrelevant |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. they come on so reasoned, why to protect raped.... as they ALWAYS misrepresent the issue |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
17. Shame on you, Mr. Vidal. |
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TacticalPeek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
18. Am I going to weep every time some aging leftie starts losing gray matter too fast? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
21. He doesn't get laid anymore; too dusty and old. Poor thing. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
59. Isn't that sexist |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #59 |
76. It's a cheap shot, like Vidal's. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
22. Just because she was "loose" is no excuse to rape... |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
23. this is one of the weirdest interview i've ever read. |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
24. Asshole |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
33. So he gets to say "She was asking for it" becaue he's a famous asshole? nt |
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Sal Minella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Think maybe the girl's mother accepting money is more of a determinant |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. 13 year olds can't consent. |
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Sal Minella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #40 |
57. What does this have to do with a mother pimping out her daughter |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. there is no evidence her mom "pimped" her out per the gals own words |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #35 |
111. what money did her mother accept? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
34. WTF - Is Vidal off his meds? |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
36. Good to see his personal charm hasn't changed a bit. n/t |
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Yehonala (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
37. Insane, utterly insane |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
38. I think you left out the more pertinent part |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. 5 of the 6 charges dropped. relentless zeal? lucky fucker and he still ran. nt |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. only the devil herself can be so lucky! |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. ahhh po boy, he was picked on. gave alcohol, drugged, raped, sodomized... and the po |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
64. THOUGHT I say again; thought |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
83. What you describe is not what happened... |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #83 |
101. People can watch the documentary "Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired" (2008) |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Some of that documentary was inflated for entertainment purposes according to one participant |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #102 |
128. actually, no |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:46 AM Response to Reply #128 |
134. He pled guilty and allocuted...and so called documentaries are not evidence |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #134 |
181. Well, it's a pretty good documentary but the zealots won't watch it |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. yes, polenski about gave the judge the finger. most defendents know and are told when judge |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
53. None of those other charges would ever have stuck. n/t |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #53 |
84. It was a negoiation...and Polanski got to skate |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. yup. nt |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Wrong. None of the other charges could be proven in court. He said/she said. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. He said/she said is not an automatic loser. A forcibly buggered 13yo makes a very |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Lol, tell that to all the rape victims who get screwed over today because of lack of evidence. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. I have seen women win and lose in those situations |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. He admitted he had sex with an minor. That's what he took the plea for. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 09:42 PM Response to Reply #87 |
100. That's the case with EVERY rape |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 10:17 PM Response to Reply #100 |
107. Huh? No it isn't the case with EVERY rape, since there is often physical evidence. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. I wouldn't give a 13-year old booze and drugs and then |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 10:36 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Those are absolutely not undisputed facts. Those are her allegations. There was no trial. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #110 |
115. Is there any reason to think she's lying? |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Yes, in fact there is reason to believe she was lying. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. He got a cushy plea deal because he was a celebrity. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #119 |
124. No, actually I don't give much of a shit about this case at all. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. He wouldn't have been able to escape to France |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. There are currently lots of French citizens working in the US in all kinds of professions. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:00 AM Response to Reply #117 |
137. Everyone who makes a claim without evidence is likely lying? |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #137 |
168. No, it applies to everyone who can't prove their allegations. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #168 |
171. Did he plead guilty to having sex with a 13-year-old girl against her will? |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #171 |
175. He pled guilty to having sex with a minor. Did you not read any of the news reports? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #175 |
177. Right, so he's an admitted child rapist, right? What more do you need to know? |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #177 |
191. Did you even read this sub-thread? |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Actually those AREN'T "undisputed facts." There was NO hospital report. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. They were never disputed. |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Not necessarily. I grew up with a young Latino boy that had a sexual relationship with... |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. Is there any reason to think this young girl was lying? |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. See post no. 117. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. There was no reason listed there to distrust her. |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. You're right. Nothing but NO EVIDENCE. NO HOSPITAL REPORT. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:41 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. The victim's testimony is very often |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:00 AM Response to Reply #125 |
129. Unfortunately there's this thing called burden of proof. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:01 AM Response to Reply #129 |
138. You're not getting a role in Polanski's next film, no matter how hard you defend him. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #138 |
169. And luckily for you, people like me would defend your right to a fair trial... |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #169 |
172. I can respect that you are trying to be 'fair.' |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #125 |
131. A victim's testimony is just that: testimony. Testimony is NEVER considered proof |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #131 |
189. Deleted message |
Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #189 |
192. And I see we have a "the bitches lie about it all the time' person spouting the usual crap. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #192 |
193. Victim testimony is evidence, genius. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
41. My respect for Vidal has just lowered considerably |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I've noticed that a lot of men become really insensitive towards |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. The whole convo about Polanski is disjointed and makes little sense. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #48 |
63. Those facts are secondary, expendable, given the need to hate a critic of our 2 party system! |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. He called a 13 year old child a whore |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. As do I, yet I can't deny he's had a relation to that era I have not, and am not compelled to.... |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. You said it. That's basically it in a nutshell for me as well. n/t |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #65 |
92. yep..he called a 13 year old rape victim a whore |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
42. Any respect I had for Vidal is gone. |
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BreweryYardRat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
56. Yah. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. After the comments he made, I have a hard time disagreeing with you. |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #56 |
80. Hmmm... |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
46. Old asshole. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
47. I thought he was full of shit before...now I know he's a sick fuck who |
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jenniferj (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
50. I also thought he was an utter arsehole,,, |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
55. I think it would be a stretch to call any 13 year old a hooker |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
66. Typical Vidal- anyone surprised or appalled doesn't know much about the guy |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. But this one is pretty out there |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #67 |
113. You don't know. There was no hospital report. There was no evidence presented. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #113 |
190. Wow, I have rarely seen such willful ignorance |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. +1 |
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rollin74 (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
68. what a sick piece of shit |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
71. Typical male entitlement |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. good post. i which this would actually be read, and then, further, thought |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #71 |
95. +1... don't understand why anyone would distract from this. (nt) |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #71 |
130. Err.. Gore Vidal is gay |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #130 |
158. And? (nt) |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #130 |
185. So am I. |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #130 |
187. Oh dear |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
77. I am *so* disgusted with the Hollywood "it wasn't rape-rape" crowd |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
78. Vidal loved Tim McVeigh but hates rape victims. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
82. Gore Vidal |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
86. What a useless, irrelevant old pig. n/t |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
89. Stay classy, Gore! (nt) |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
94. Fuck you, Mr. Vidal. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
96. Lovely. So a 13 year old who was raped is now a "hooker". |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
97. Well, Mr. Vidal, I won't sit and weep every time an over-rated old creep makes ignorant comments. |
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daedalus_dude (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
98. Bottom line for me: Hollywood thinks its above the law. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
105. Vidal can go eat shit and die. |
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
106. What an asswipe |
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PM Martin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
108. Strange how Hollywood suddenly is against |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #108 |
170. they all think if he gets off, he'll call on them with a part in his next film, lol. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #108 |
179. Sophisticated artists can't be concerned with piddling laws that punish child rapists, you know nt |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #108 |
188. Hollywood has been out of touch with America for a very long time |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
118. "An old asshole feels the need to regale us with his sexist idiocy." |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
132. You have cherry-picked one comment out of several Vidal made: |
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daedalus_dude (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #132 |
136. Ah. So basically what he said was: |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #136 |
141. No, he didn't. You did. |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #132 |
146. Out of context? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #146 |
147. and do you know, per this poster, she wasnt a virgin so she COULD HAVE BEEN A HOOKER. nt |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #147 |
148. I did not say that. You did. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:37 AM Response to Reply #148 |
151. post 143. she had sex ... SHE MAY HAVE BEEN A HOOKER. own it.... nt |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #151 |
153. And I said NOTHING about "not being a virgin" thus hooker. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #153 |
156. right. you say she was sexually active, could be a hooker. thanks for clarification |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #147 |
150. Well, that's really misses the important point. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #150 |
154. not only that, if a GIRL is nto a virgin, she could be a hooker.... of course not rape rape. her |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #150 |
183. Right. It's 'faux rape.' |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #132 |
195. The "context" doesn't change much... |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
140. Hmmmm does he drink soda?????? |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
157. shit. Vidal has become doddering and antiquated. I read everything he ever wrote |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
161. "I have always been pro African American"? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
174. I just read the interview and it appears that Vidal has turned into Lynn Samuels. eom |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
176. If he is this demented, were all of his other writings mere ramblings of a mad man, as well? |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #176 |
180. No doubt some desperately hope so, and WANT it to be so! |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #180 |
182. I want blood! I want guts! I want vengeance! I want bombs! I want war! |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
186. What's this? Vidal can be kind of a clueless dickhead? |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-31-09 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
196. just proves a liberal can give a flip dumb ass answer as well as a conservative. |
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