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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 12:32 PM
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Why is Scientology singled out?
http://www.suntimes.com/news/steinberg/1850125,CST-NWS-stein28.article

28, 2009

BY NEIL STEINBERG Sun-Times Columnist

Opening shot...

A company opens a storefront. Passersby are encouraged to have their stress levels analyzed by a gizmo called an electropsychometer. Based on those results, they are urged to buy books and vitamins.

If the device is bogus -- if it measures nothing -- well, the company might be found guilty of fraud, which is what a French court ruled this week against the Church of Scientology, which uses the electropsychometer in its rituals.

The easy response is to cheer the French court, to focus on the spurious aspects of Scientology.

But I'm not quite so comfortable with that. They claim to be a religion, and when the electropsychometer is stacked up against, oh, transubstantiation or reincarnation of any of the other physical claims of other faiths, it doesn't seem more illusionary than anything else. All faiths have their artifices -- that's why they're faiths. I mean, what real value does Kosher grape juice have over regular?

I'm not going to bat for Scientology -- there is definitely something ominous about it.

But, again, what religion is without malign aspects?

I can't help but wonder if the problem isn't that Scientology is more of a shell game than any other faith, but that it's merely something new.

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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 12:37 PM
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1. When you go to Mass, the priest doesn't charge you for the communion wafer.
Transubstantiation, for example, may be just as bogus as reading engrams, but Scientology is especially pernicious because they suck an awful lot of money from their members. Every time you get yourself hooked up to their electronic contraption you have to pay for it. Most mainstream religions only ask for donations (and some can be very insistent), but they don't demand payment of large sums for every ritual.
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leanderj Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 12:41 PM
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3. I suspect most Catholics don't even go to church or know their pastor du jour
Edited on Wed Oct-28-09 12:44 PM by leanderj
or maybe they go twice a year. They seem to ignore much of what the Pope says. Heck, many don't even know the name of the current Pope.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 12:50 PM
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5. And they stopped harassing and threatening apostates rather longer ago than Co$ did
Friend of the family got chased across multiple states by them in the eighties; they'd track down his employers and start throwing false stories about him at them in the hopes of getting him fired, etc.
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 09:41 AM
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17. it sounds like a real scam and as with other
religious cults should be outlawed.

Being gay I have had my full up share of the bullshit served up by the evilgelicals and their kkkin.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 12:37 PM
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2. Partly because it is a religion created on a bet.
Partly because of the monotheist belief that there can be no other gods.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 12:43 PM
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4. It is a shell game.
It's a psychotherapy cult that was managed to get tax-exempt status in this country through shady methods. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/essays/nytimes.html
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 12:52 PM
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6. Claimes to be a religion != is a religion
It is a cult at best. And really a highly sophisticated scam. I dislike the lies of all religions, but claiming that legally speaking the lie of transubstantiation of the host on par with a rigged personality test designed to sell expensive courses seems weak at best.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 12:52 PM
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7. In short because they are the worst offenders by far n/t
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 12:55 PM
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8. I have a customer that was with Scientology for over 30 years and his
girlfriend almost as long. All of his family belonged. His gf worked in their offices and discovered somethings concerning money (he didn't tell me what) and they both left Scientology because they really felt they were had. Meanwhile, their family was ordered to turn their back on him, along with business associates. He took a tremendous financial hit.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 12:56 PM
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9. My question is do we really need another invisible product to fleece people with?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 12:59 PM
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10. I guess there was no lint in Neil's frig this morning.
:)
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 01:03 PM
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11. It's not old enough to be "venerable" or "traditional" nt
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 01:08 PM
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12. So there's no gradation in religious idiocy?
On the one hand, I suppose I agree. But there are some that are, say, less obviously harmful. Fundy African churches that call for executing gay people . . . bad. On a scale of 1-10, they get a 1. Unitarian Universalists who, by and large, believe in living at peace with everyone . . . far less bad. Maybe an 8.5.

Scientologists just believe in sucking money from the richest people they can find. Bad - but nobody's dying yet. I give 'em a 6.

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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 01:33 PM
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13. Apparently the author needs to be introduced to DU. nt
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 02:01 PM
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14. Scientology has abducted and killed people
Edited on Wed Oct-28-09 02:08 PM by Zodiak
They are a freakish cult that tries its level best to inject itself into the halls of power in any society they finds themselves in.

This is one well-known case where a scientology follower was taken from a hospital and held for 17 days. In that time she died of torture and neglect.

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/

So no, they are not just ANY cult, but a really really pernicious group of control freaks. I am glad that the French busted their ass.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 02:08 PM
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15. It's not a religion...it's a cult...
...or a scam masquerading as a religion.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:18 PM
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16. Other religions don't abuse confessional privelege.
Other religions are (hopefully) not trafficking in human labor.

Other religions don't have copyrights on their holy books, you can read them and centuries of expostion on the verses for free in the intertubes.

Other religions don't have policies like fair game and disconnection.

Other religions weren't made up by L.Ron Hubbard who has an interesting history in that he's done nothing he claimed to do, and done a shit load of things he never admitted to his adherents. He was also a crappy sci-fi author.

www.xenu.net also known as Operation Clambake is a great source with lots of primary sources in the form of 'church' documents and Testimony of former members. You'll never think of scientology as a mere bunch of amusing loons again. Google operation Snow White, operation freakout or Lisa MacPherson for more disturbing fun.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 09:47 AM
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18. Other religions don't make worshippers pay insane amounts of money for the next level.
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 11:06 AM
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19. Other religions
don't make you sign a contract promising you won't sue them when you take a class.

Other religions don't bully people into giving up life saving meds and bully these same people into using vitamins and health regimens instead that have no independent verification as to usefulness. Other people don't make their believers cease talking to Friends and family members.

Dear god... I really can't go on. These people ARE CRIMINALS!
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