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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 12:41 AM
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Poll question: In your opinion, will the U.S. win the war in Afghanistan?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 12:45 AM
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1. According to jingoist proclamation it was won by early 2002.
BTW, It was only a battle in the greater war on terrorism.
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shintao Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 01:30 AM
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12. And then someone smelled the Heroin
Seems the goal is to stop AQ from cashing in the heroin supply's, thus their cash crop they need for weapons & recruiting. I spent an evening looking at US troops in Afghanistan, Many of the shots are either in heroin fields or walking around the perimeter of the fields.

Seems to me there are some simple ways to end this so-called war, and we are just dilly dallying it.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 12:45 AM
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2. Define "win" please.
Has anyone done that yet?
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 12:52 AM
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4. I completely agree with your point. The overall goal seems to be keeping extremists away from
government power, but this is fairly vague, especially when people are dieing and being crippled for this goal.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 12:56 AM
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8. Well, playing perpetual whack-a-mole doesn't seem like a winning game
And it doesn't seem like they are doing all that great, being that militants just stormed a UN house in KABUL right by the presidential palace, and killed 5 UN Workers.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 12:48 AM
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3. No. There is no definition of what "winning" is.
Edited on Thu Oct-29-09 12:51 AM by Mind_your_head
If the goal can't be defined, you can't ever get there, can you? ~ (roughly Forrest Gump)

That's how it is with Afghanistan.

"State the purpose."

What is the 'goal'? WHY is the US there?

State the Mission.

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If there is one, no one is saying' (probably b/c the public won't bear the awful truth RIGHT NOW....but after they *soften us up* some more....WELL, that's a different story then.....*rubs greedy hands*)
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 04:08 AM
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16. Agreed. What does "winning" mean? nt
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 12:53 AM
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5. Win? Who "wins" a war?
In war, everyone loses.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 12:56 AM
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7. Some corporations? nt
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 01:31 AM
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13. Corporations aren't fighting.
They only win because our Congress lets them. They give it away.
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 12:53 AM
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6. The notion of declaring war is a loss from the git-go. Win at negotiating peacefully. Humanity wins.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 01:01 AM
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9. so who is attempting to negotiate peacefully?
No one that I know of. So, unless you know of some party that is trying to 'negotiate peacefully', I guess we're in agreement that "humanity loses" through this Afghanistan 'adventure'.
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 01:18 AM
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10. The lack of a peacenik leader in DC has been a colossal problem for decades. Too many have died..
from 'Murican warpiggin'.

It's got to stop. I no longer trust or support our govenrment's war making powers. The people need to take that power from our government. How? It would take a constitutional amendment.

It's frustrating and has me considering voting for a left wing third party.

I'm fed up with Dem warmongering to the point of never supporting a Dem again if the party won't change our disasterous warmongering ways.

I'm not holding my breath waiting for that change.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 01:25 AM
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11. Third party is an option
but of greater concern is that almost NOBODY is paying attention/adhering to the RULES of the Constitution of the United States of America.

The PEOPLE rising up/sending letters/e-mails/showing up at congress-critters offices' IS having an effect. Keep it up. Be LOUDER. That's what's *workin'* now.
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 01:37 AM
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14. I agree with everything you've said. nt
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Grey Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 02:42 AM
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15. Simple question?
When was the last time the US actually "won" a war?
I've heard about a lot of "Military actions" but when did they last come home with "Victory" in their hands?
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 04:13 AM
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17. Once again, how do we define victory?
Victorious both militarily and politically? I'd say Korea. Military win/Political loss? Vietnam. Panama? I don't know enough about that conflict. Gulf War I? I'd say we were victorious in our military and political goals.
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