Blue Dogs Win Huge Victory For The Health Insurance Industry

The bitter truth From Jon Walker at Firedoglake:


October 28, 2009 4:00 am






Progressive Caucus? VOTE THIS DOWN. This piece of cowardice is a slap in the face of Americans.


Force action on Single Payer. HR 676 to replace 3200.



And Mr. President, as it stands this morning, you are now losing the first of the three primary stated goals of your young administration---health care reform. Your foes will now be further emboldened to attack the next target.



This is the last straw.

That is fer sure.

link:
http://www.thebattleforamerica.com/

(This is a video made right after the 2004 election.)

when the Dems lose their majority in 2010, will they get the point? I doubt it.

Which is also pretty darned depressing.

rightwing/corporate lackeys....

The Values Voters have spoken once again :puke:

to these parasites.

Waxman said Pelosi agreed if Anthony Weiner withdrew his amendment for it.

Watch here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0fA2DfwFn4

And David's glass stays pretty half empty most of the time.

I'll stick with the hope of a CBO score and floor vote until Pelosi declares otherwise.

Send her a reminder


Forum Name General Discussion: Presidential
Topic subject Wiener needs your help on his single payer Medicare For All amendment.--send Pelosi a fax...FREE
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8719898#8719912
8719912, Wiener needs your help on his single payer Medicare For All amendment.--send Pelosi a fax...FREE
Posted by joeycola on Wed Oct-28-09 03:30 PM

Repost of a related post

Forum Name General Discussion: Presidential
Topic subject Congressman Wiener needs your help on his single payer Medicare For All amendment.
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8715792#8715792
8715792, Congressman Wiener needs your help on his single payer Medicare For All amendment.
Posted by joeycola on Mon Oct-26-09 04:27 AM


Do it. Thanks.

Dear xxxxx

Congressman Wiener needs your help on his single payer Medicare For All amendment. I just got back from a conference in Boston where Rep. Wiener asked for help on two things:

First, and urgently, he wants people to contact Speaker Pelosi and ask her to keep her promise to allow a floor amendment and floor debate on a single payer amendment to the House bill. Although the Speaker promised such a floor amendment in July , there is a strong likelihood that she will back down on that promise in the very near future unless she gets a flood of emails, faxes or calls. So let's flood Nancy Pelosi's office with faxes like we did once before.

http://www.1payer.net/faxapp/senders/add/cid:40

Remarkably, Speaker Pelosi said in Democratic Caucus "If it were up to me, we would have single payer." Let's remind Nancy Pelosi with a flood of faxes: it IS up to her because she is the Speaker.

Second, Rep. Wiener asked that we flood our Congresspersons with calls and push them to support the single payer Medicare For All amendment. About 100 other Congressmen are solidly behind it now and even blue dogs are wavering, so Wiener thinks a push on Congress will help a great deal. You can send a fax supporting the Wiener single payer Medicare For All amendment right now. Just click here.

You can send a FREE fax to Pelosi very simply and easily.

Here is the link to the fax.

It simply asks Pelosi to keep her promise for a floor debate in the House. The Pelosi fax linked above is very important. You can also call her office at

202-225-4965.

Don't let her back down on her promise of a single payer floor debate in the House.

the amendment.

We've been told they are scoring it since the beginning of August.

:(

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6880388&mesg_id=6880388


"Lies, damn lies, and promises from Democrats. An amendment allowing states to create state-level single-payer healthcare has been stripped out of the House healthcare bill, after having passed in committee back in July by a vote of 27 to 19. And rumor has it that a vote on national single-payer that was promised in July in exchange for skipping a committee vote on it will now be denied..."

heels on getting an estimate.

A score from CBO a few days before a vote is meaningless.

I've faxed Pelosi and my Rep (Eshoo) to allow it to be brought to the floor (and to support it, but it will clearly only be a symbolic victory even if it gets to the floor:


This quote from the "hoax" post says it all-->
"A conversation I had with Congresswoman Betty Sutton is typical. She told me that the Kucinich Amendment was no big deal and shouldn't be paid any attention to. She said she wanted everyone to focus on the Weiner Amendment on which she planned to vote yes. Asked if there was any chance the Weiner Amendment would pass, she replied of course not."

I just hope the CBO score shows that it would have saved the most money.

that covers Everyone. But the Democrats delayed an such estimate, even if we get it now, too late for the info to reach the public.

That quote does shine a light on the games that are being played.

:(


How Drug-Industry Lobbyists Got Their Way on Health Care
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1931595-2,00.html

Your rep got an amendment through that made it into the final House bill, it gives makers of biologics 12 years of data exclusivity.

"...Waxman had pushed to shield biologics for no more than five years — the same amount of time that traditional pharmaceuticals get under the Hatch-Waxman law. President Obama proposed seven years as a compromise.

Waxman had pushed to shield biologics for no more than five years — the same amount of time that traditional pharmaceuticals get under the Hatch-Waxman law. President Obama proposed seven years as a compromise.

The Federal Trade Commission (FTC), though, argued in June that giving biologics makers any period of exclusivity at all could actually stifle innovation. Biologics are so much more complex and expensive to produce than traditional drugs that the barriers to would-be "biosimilar" competitors are already high, the FTC said. Giving biologics further protection — particularly the 12 years of exclusivity that the industry wants — would merely encourage firms to tinker with what they have rather than drive them toward "new inventions to address unmet medical needs." ...."

This is what I simply cannot comprehend. This incremental, toe-in-the-water, fragmented joke, that won't even take effect fully until after 2013.

Are these people oblivious to the fact that Republicans will move hell and earth to tear apart any of these weak little baby steps toward effective health care reform? To Republicans, it will as simple as ripping down wet cardboard.


Damn to hell what these people are doing.

The Democrats have outdone themselves this time, and it looks more and more like Kabuki theater (or like a good cop/bad cop routine) at this point.

:(

To the Insurance Industry, and oppress the American People even more, then stand back and say the Democrats made it all possible.

The Democrats will stand back and say NOTHING, because they will know that they fucked the American People with this shit.

are now hard at work destroying the dems, too.

If this isn't proof positive that we are no longer a democracy, I don't know what it would take.

Approximately 70% of the public want a public option, yet congress is ignoring us in favor of pleasing their corporate overlords. They have been bought out. This is blatant conflict of interest and corruption at the highest levels of government. They don't even try to hide their malfeasance anymore.

What does it say about a government that would start 2 preemptive wars over the deaths of 3,000 Americans, yet knowingly support an industry that kills 40,000 of its' citizens each year? The greed of our elected officials is stupefying.

I think it's time to drop the pretense and call it what it is, an oligarchy.

It is more like fascism.

These crooked politicians (dems and repubs alike) Dont even hide the fact that they dont care what the people want anymore.
Its all about money to them.
When 70% want a public option and still dont get it, then its obvious who these guys serve.
And its not the people.

I thought obama would be the pioneer of stopping this, But it looks like he intends to be the leader of keeping it going instead. Maybe we are now seeing why health insurance companies contributed so much toward his campian?? they are certainly getting a good return on thier investment with this bill.

America has become the joke of the world.

We declare wars and supposedly fight to bring "freedom" to other countrys.

But we are governed by a corporation.

Free my arse.

THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME A STRAIGHT UP CORPORATION.

A CORPORATIION WITH TWO PARTYS (REPUBS AND DEMS) FIGHTING FOR CONTROL OF THE CORPORATION.

THIER FORM OF SERVICE IS POLTICAL FAVORS, AND THIER COMPENSATION IS LOBBYING DOLLARS.

UNTIL LOBBYING IS REMOVED FROM THIS JOKE OF A GOVERNMENT, THINGS WILL CONTINUE TO RUN THIS WAY.

AMERICA.........BY THE CORPORATION, FOR THE CORPORATION, AND GOVERNED BY A CORPORATION.

I AM SERIOUSLY LOOKING INTO MOVING TO ANOTHER COUNTRY. BUT SO FAR, ITS NOT AN EASY THING TO DO.

Just think Company Store with the power of the Federal Government behind it, and it becomes clear.

The U.S. Government works for and represents Corporate America, while the citizens have now become 'Subjects' to Corporate America to be exploited through the Corporate Government Store. And it's all legal, because awhile back, the Representatives of the citizens sold them out to Corporate America.

Seafan talked about HR3200; but I didn't see any specifics in the article.

CBO Scoring Rep Weiner's Single Payer: Update, October 21, 2009


And especially this explanation by Louise Slaughter from October 21, 2009

Most people learned the difference between "something they want" and "something they are actually going to get" at around the age of 5. Yet there is a large contingent of DU that apparently never learned this. The idea that single payer is ever going to pass out of any Congress of the next two decades is just as likely as single payer passing under Bush and a Republican Congress. Sure, there will still be people like you who try to pretend that this isn't true. But that doesn't change the reality that we live in.

Government of, by and for corporations.

And, we are floundering without the leadership to fight back.

Forum Name General Discussion: Presidential
Topic subject Congressman Wiener needs your help on his single payer Medicare For All amendment.
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8715792#8715792
8715792, Congressman Wiener needs your help on his single payer Medicare For All amendment.
Posted by joeycola on Mon Oct-26-09 04:27 AM


Do it. Thanks.

Dear xxxxx

Congressman Wiener needs your help on his single payer Medicare For All amendment. I just got back from a conference in Boston where Rep. Wiener asked for help on two things:

First, and urgently, he wants people to contact Speaker Pelosi and ask her to keep her promise to allow a floor amendment and floor debate on a single payer amendment to the House bill. Although the Speaker promised such a floor amendment in July , there is a strong likelihood that she will back down on that promise in the very near future unless she gets a flood of emails, faxes or calls. So let's flood Nancy Pelosi's office with faxes like we did once before.

http://www.1payer.net/faxapp/senders/add/cid:40

Remarkably, Speaker Pelosi said in Democratic Caucus "If it were up to me, we would have single payer." Let's remind Nancy Pelosi with a flood of faxes: it IS up to her because she is the Speaker.

Second, Rep. Wiener asked that we flood our Congresspersons with calls and push them to support the single payer Medicare For All amendment. About 100 other Congressmen are solidly behind it now and even blue dogs are wavering, so Wiener thinks a push on Congress will help a great deal. You can send a fax supporting the Wiener single payer Medicare For All amendment right now. Just click here.

You can send a FREE fax to Pelosi very simply and easily.

Here is the link to the fax.

It simply asks Pelosi to keep her promise for a floor debate in the House. The Pelosi fax linked above is very important. You can also call her office at

202-225-4965.

Don't let her back down on her promise of a single payer floor debate in the House.