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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-31-09 11:44 PM
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NY race "reverberates" into FL Senate race. Rubio vs Crist.
The right wing extremists in the GOP are trying to bring down Charlie Crist and put in Marco Rubio, Jeb's one-time puppet in the state legislature.

A campaign 1,300 miles away reverberates into Florida

Why, you may wonder, would Marco Rubio be closely watching a Congressional race in upstate New York, when his hands are more than full trying to beat Charlie Crist for the Republican U.S. Senate nomination? Because that special election 1,300 miles away has real implications for his underdog campaign.

The New York race was the latest Battle For the Soul of the GOP election. It featured a Democrat, a liberal Republican, and a third party candidate, Doug Hoffman, who became a hero of conservative activists across the country.

"If you live in NY CD 23 vote 4 Hoffman," Rubio tweeted Friday night. "Send message to those who want GOP to "moderate" that we do not need 2 Democratic Parties."


In a recent poll there was only 50% support for Crist, while Rubio got 28%, and the undecideds were 22%.

Crist approval ratings plummet

“After nearly three uneventful years in the people’s mansion in which unemployment has reached double-digits across the state and the real estate boom turned into a foreclosure nightmare, Charlie Crist has finally made something drop like a rock — his approval ratings,” said pollster Tom Eldon.

Still, Crist’s political troubles appear to be more about his own vulnerability than Rubio’s strength.
In the Senate race, the poll found 50 percent of Republicans backing Crist, 28 percent Rubio, and 22 percent undecided. Even little-known and 22 points behind, however, Rubio poses a real threat to the self-described “people’s governor” no longer appreciated so much by people who overwhelmingly see Florida headed in the wrong direction.


Marco Rubio attends and is a speaker at tea parties throughout Florida.

Rubio is laying the groundwork for that by patiently laying out a litany of conservative complaints against Crist — his environmentalism, his appointment of a pro-choice judge, and above all his support for the economic stimulus package. “Charlie Crist has proven to have more confidence in the ability of government to grow the economy than I have and than Republicans should have,” Rubio told National Review. While Crist supported the president, Rubio attended an anti-spending Tea Party and has produced a video that mashes up his speech from the event with interviews he conducted with other protesters — a video that has been played for attendees of Grover Norquist’s Wednesday meetings of Washington conservatives.


Rubio goes pretty far in to religious right territory, even saying parents know best. He does not want schools undoing any teaching done by parents. Think about that for a minute.

Rubio open to creationism.

."At the Feb. 19 BOE meeting, opponents of the science standards uniformly opposed the theory compromise, arguing instead for an “Academic Freedom Proposal” which would have added a clause to the standards permitting teachers “to engage students in a critical analysis” of Darwinian evolution.

..."Although the evolution issue is “obviously” on a “much smaller scale,” both matters are related to the “fundamental question of who is in charge of the upbringing of children. Is it parents or is it the government? I believe it’s parents. And we should do nothing in government that undermines that relationship.

“And there are parents that passionately believe in this and they should be given the opportunity to teach that to their children without someone undoing it,” Rubio said.


That would most surely limit what schools could teach. If parents teach the world is only 6 thousand years old, then Rubio would support not letting the schools teach the truth about the age of the earth.





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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 02:32 AM
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1. Rubio only has 28 percent? Crist has fifty percent?
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 02:32 AM by aquart
Go Rubio! Dimwitted twit.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 11:45 AM
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2. Add the 28 and 22...you get 50
The 22% undecided are key, and there's great chance the teabaggers will turn them toward Rubio.

Crist had a high polling earlier. It is heading down.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 07:09 PM
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4. But it would take 100% of the undecided and a much greater decline for Crist.
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 07:13 PM by aquart
If only about 23% of the country are rabid teabaggers, Crist's opponent already has them. NO reason to believe that people who think Crist sucks will suddenly prefer to privatize social security and all the other fun teabagger projects.

I'm now officially confused. Is this a Republican primary? Is there no Democrat running in the general? Rubio isn't the Dem, is he? Not the man referred to as the "Cuban Newt Gingrich"?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 07:12 PM
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5. Well, Crist is not standing for anything right now.
He has constantly caved to the right lately. It has led to a decline, but he still won't take stands. Neither will our Democratic candidates. Rubio takes firm stands....it might seen him through the primary.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 03:02 PM
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3. More on the similarities between NY and FL
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/nov/01/ny-race-could-foreshadow-fla-primary/news-politics/

"In what looks like a victory for the same conservative forces backing Marco Rubio in Florida, the Republican Party nominee dropped out of a special election to fill a vacant House seat in New York on Saturday.

Nationwide, conservative Republicans have been watching two races, Florida's Senate primary and the New York House race, as top battlegrounds in the party's moderate v. conservative internal struggle.

In the New York race, moderate Dede Scozzafava, the GOP nominee, was endorsed by the national party – just as Gov. Charlie Crist has been in the Florida Senate primary.

Conservative insurgent Doug Hoffman challenged Scozzafava with backing from many of the same prominent national conservative figures and organizations backing Rubio.

Scozzafava's withdrawal means Hoffman, running as the Conservative Party candidate, will face the Democratic nominee, Bill Owens, head-to-head in the special election Tuesday. If Hoffman wins, it's likely to energize and embolden the conservative forces backing Rubio even further."
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