Look at his house!!! Look at his haircut!!! Why on earth would anyone support Edwards' candidacy???

John Edwards at Riverside Church, Recorded: Jan 15, 2007: "Silence is betrayal" - JOHN EDWARDS 08


National Press Club Policy Address, Jun 22, 2006: "I'm proposing we set a national goal of eliminating poverty in the next 30 years." - JOHN EDWARDS 08

Meanwhile most major corporations pay no taxes.

You beat me to it - I am getting sick of the "haircut" posts myself. Gee, how much does Mitt Romney pay for that wonderful slicked back look? Or any of the others for that matter....Freeperville must be having a field day - we are eating our own.:mad:

It is newsworthy because he could have easily paid for it with his own money, but instead he used campaign money. That kind of thing is so stupid to me.

HILLARY GATHERS AN ARMY
By IAN BISHOP
Post Correspondent

July 24, 2006 -- WASHINGTON - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign army has increased its ranks to 50 staffers and more than 20 consultants, specialists in everything from fund-raising to speech-writing to hairstyling and makeup.

Clinton, the likely 2008 Democratic White House front-runner, ponied up nearly $3,000 in campaign cash for her blond tresses to get some presidential pampering from acclaimed D.C. stylist Isabelle Goetz.

Recently released federal fund-raising records show Clinton shelled out $1,500 in April for Goetz to carefully craft her coiffure and another $1,000 for a camera-ready clip in May.

She passed off both styling sessions as "media production" expenses.

Clinton was so desperate for Goetz to style her gilded mane, she picked up the scissor siren's $405 travel tab in April and a $38 expenses tab in May.

Goetz, a fixture at the swank Cristophe salon and the favored stylist of John Kerry, has been clipping the former first lady's locks for years - she's credited for updating Clinton's coif from country to chic. To complement the touch-up of her tresses, Clinton invested another $3,000 for makeup maestro Barbara Lacy to brush on some blush.

Lacy is a Tinseltown pro who applied the makeup to actors' mugs in movies including "Minority Report," "Runaway Bride," "National Treasure" and "In the Line of Fire."

She can also take credit for working the West Wing - the NBC version. Clinton paid Lacy an eye-popping $1,600 for some eye-lining in mid-May and another mind-boggling $1,300 for some makeup two weeks later.

Again, Clinton justified the makeovers as a media production expense.
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Edwards Flattens Coif Controversy
April 18, 2007

ABC News' Raelyn Johnson Reports: You can tell it's political season when people are putting a fine tooth comb to, well hair. A report filed with the Federal Election Commission last weekend revealed that former Sen. John Edwards' D-N.C., presidential campaign twice shelled out $400 for haircuts he received from a Beverly Hills salon.

Just as fast as gossip spreads in the fashion salon, ABC News has learned the money will be returned. "As for the haircuts, the bill was sent to the campaign, it was paid in error, and Edwards will be reimbursing the campaign," says campaign spokesperson Eric Schultz.

The hair cut revelation did little to minimize what some call Edwards' 'Breck Girl' image. Earlier this year, YouTube showcased a video of Edwards fixing his hair before a televised interview, demonstrating the unforgiving power of the site.
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:kick: :kick: :kick:

That's why I can't support him.

He's all fluff and politicial expedience and no substance.

Guess what? You already have one! How's that working out for you?

NGU.

And, I won't.

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

You've gotta try harder, Clark2008... come up w/something of substance, instead of repetitive rw attacks... they're not doing so well lately.


btw, thanks for kicking the thread; I hope you'll kick it some more! :hi:

And, how is his co-sponsoring the IWR a "rightwing" attack?

YOU will have to do MUCH better than that to get my family to vote for this phony-ass candidate - even if he IS the nominee.

Sorry. I can't stand him. He's a fake as a three-dollar bill.

And, we can expect a lot more of it while the electoral circus continues.

"Getting into politics is like stepping in dogshit." From "The Motorcycle Diaries"

Rove's minions. Always attack the opponents STRENGTHS -

Attack John Kerry's military service.

Attack the Dems efforts to get us out of Iraq.

Attack John Edward's for speaking out to end poverty and re-awaken us all to class divisions.

If they attack their opponent's strengths - we must learn to SEE THE STRENGTHS just beneath the surface of every attack.

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

And I really give no credence to any posters here who smear any of our candidates. Guess I'll kick in another $25.00....he can even apply it to his grooming account! :hi:

In fact, the more these idiotic "he had a haircut, he has a big house!" posts crop up on DU, the more in favor of him I'm going to be. I don't care about his hair or his house, I care about his politics.

In fact, I just responded to one of your posts in the Gore group.

into policy, practice, or law?

It would be helpful (even though I'm attempting to be challenging with the question).

A book from the Center on Poverty, Work, and Opportunity, John Edwards, founding director (and director until announcing his 08 candidacy), and editor of the book: Ending Poverty in America: How to Restore the American Dream: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x661959


John Edwards, Cleaning Up in New Orleans: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5285938


Working w/UNITE HERE & SEIU: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2006/05/john_edwards_labors_darling.html


College for Everyone: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=689280&mesg_id=689280


John Edwards on the ISSUES: http://johnedwards.com/about/issues/

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love the Center on Poverty, Work and Opportunity

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

major oil corporations? Seemed kind of stinky to me, since he had just served as Energy Secretary. Did he get the seats on those boards because he treated them so nicely?

:shrug:


You take your corporate politician and I'll take the guy that has fought for the individuals, okay.

it was very bad judgement to build such a house, if he was planning to run for president in 2008. Especially if he plans on running as a champion of the 'little man'. he's a fairly young man, in presidential terms- and between campaigning and supposedly presidenting, they woouldn't be doing too much living in that house between now and the end of his term(s) anyway- why couldn't it have waited? and elizabeth obviously could have handled their 'neighbor problem' a WHOLE lot better.
it's all about perceptions, and what/how faux news will manipulate those perceptions against you.

ultimately, he's going to regret The House. especially after he's been living in it 8 years longer than he had planned.

So enjoy the only candidates the republicans want us to nominate Obama and Hillary as they are shoved down our throats day after day after day....that's YOUR ONLY CHOICE OBAMA OR HILLARY NOW VOTE FOR ONE OF THEM AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Indeed, given the choice of people who were right about those EXTREMELY important things and Edwards, why would anyone vote for him?

from the fascist Republicans who control it now.

John Edwards is imminently electable.

He has my vote. With emphasis.

and I'm not in front of cameras all day, every day.

Who cares what he spends on a haircut? Didn't the Repubs try this ridiculous attack with Clinton?

Jeebus, people, quit eating our own. If you have substantive problems with his policies, fine. Let's discuss them in a civil manner. You know, in a way that will strengthen our ability to ward off future attacks from the GOP, not in a way that gives them bullets.

Before you accuse me of jumping to Edwards' defense, I feel this way about all of the Dem candidates. Substantive debate, not ridiculous finger pointing, name calling and rumormill fodder.

He basically had to pay the stylist for all the haircuts that the stylist couldn't do while away from the shop *and* the travel expenses, plus Edwards's own haircut.

$400 is CHEAP. I live in California, I know what a haircut can cost here...I can't walk out of a salon for less than $200 and I'm not flying anybody anywhere, nor am I going to a salon in Beverly Hills.

and to get Edwards to meet more people at them.

$400 for a haircut really isn't even that expensive, given the circumstances.

What some people don't seem to realize is that candidates have to pay more than us for convenience, which in turn allows them to campaign more effectively. Hence, the use of campaign funds.

did I appear to be looking for sympathy? Cuz I wasn't.

Some people don't seem to realize that $60 haircuts aren't available (at least not from a reputable salon) in certain parts of the country.

You see, some of us have the ability to understand the situations of others without actually living like them. It's called empathy. One does not have to be poor in order to help deal with the problems that cause poverty.

The two of you can discuss empathy for the poor as you hand him your two hundred dollars.

That is such a hideous thing to say. If I didn't know better, I would swear you were jealous.

Edwards didn't pay for it. If he had, we'd never have known about it. Instead, he used campaign funds, and rightly or wrongly, it opens him up to criticism.

And now, for all the Edwards detractors, some ***** TRUTH ***** about the haircut...: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x700853

You did reply to the above thread, but didn't retract what you said in your above post.

$400 is 4x the amount of money I have per MONTH to spend on myself ($303/month - $200 to my rent - That leaves about $26 dollars a week to spend on things like cat litter,cat food,trash bags,soap,shampoo,etc.) This to me shows just how completely out of touch Edwards is on poverty,and apparently a large chunk of DU is clueless what it's really like too.

$400 for a haircut is disgusting.

I dare you to try living like this and then justify this bullshit.Maybe if I could afford a $200 - $400 haircut I'd defend him too.

This may not be "substantive" to you,but it sure as hell is to me.

What he spends on a haircut has absolutely no bearing on his ability to understand that other people are not in the same situation he's in.

As for the $200 haircut, it's not really a matter of wanting to spend that much. That's how much I HAVE to spend if I want to get my hair done anywhere but SuperCuts around here. And I'm not going to apologize for it. And neither should John Edwards.

If you're that disgusted by it, then don't donate to his campaign, but joining in a circular firing squad over a haircut is ridiculous. It isn't substantive, it's a lame-ass attempt at mud slinging.

:hi:

:hi:

you feel the same about a CEO making 400 million a year?

and you know it.

Though if that CEO was doing half of what John Edwards does for poor people, then I wouldn't begrudge him/her a $400 haircut.

I guess my reality and yours are on separate planets. We will just have to disagree.

not my name and you're being condescending. It's HuskER. Again, not the same thing. But that seems to be a theme with you tonight, eh?

You are right about the different realities though. I'm just getting damn sick of people thinking they know what they're talking about when they obviously don't. Do you live in Los Angeles? No. I do. Have you been to a salon here recently? No. I have.

Gee, I wonder which one of us is more qualified to speak on this issue? :shrug:

Sense you are so in tune to the LA scene. How bout posting a link to some of the "pricier" salons that include their prices. I truly want to see a place that offer mens cuts for $400. Thanks On edit Link me to the salon you habit.

Which, frankly, shows how much you know about Beverly Hills salons, but I digress.

But if you're really that interested, here's the price list for an average-to-cheap salon in my area:

http://www.waxpoeticsalon.com/Menu/Hair/tabid/48/Default.aspx

On edit: You'll notice there's not a separate price for men's cuts. That's cuz there's no price difference.

:hi:

I notice that is more than likely for women, and the top price for a haircut is $89. So show me where the other $311 went?:shrug:

And no, it's not "more than likely for women". Are you being obtuse on purpose? Jeebus.

So that's $200 for a cut and dry at a low-to-moderately priced salon in suburban LA. That's been my point ALL DAY LONG.

The other $200? Well, if I was going to be on TV every single day I wouldn't go for the low priced hair cut. He went to a salon in Beverly Hills. And if you'd ever had a truly professional haircut, you'd understand the difference.

I'm done with this conversation...the unreasonable cannot be reasoned with.

When I get my hair cut it includes wash, cut, and blow dry. So out in ritzy LA is everything al carte? Your going to tell me that if you go to that salon they charge an extra $90 dollars to blow dry a mans hair. Holy shit. Not only was this bad PR on Senator Edwards part but I would even question his logical thinking skills.:rofl:

of course "blow dry" here doesn't just mean someone stands there and waves a blow dryer in the general direction of your head. But then, it's quite obvious that you've never been to a salon of this type.

I'm so sorry that "ritzy LA" is so offensive to your sensibilities. Do us both a favor and don't ever move here, ok? You stay on your planet, I'll stay on mine.

BTW, I love how, after I answered all of your questions such that your argument became moot you resorted to name calling. That's a fabulous debate technique. Use it more often. :eyes:

"Do us both a favor and don't ever move here, ok? You stay on your planet, I'll stay on mine."

seeing how length is one of the factors determining level

I wanted to at least go with the most expensive and we are still $311 less than Edwards cut. I would love to know since I am not celeb material and like you know live in LA, do all salons charge extra for a male cut blow dry? I am an RN and I do fairly well when it comes to salary, but if I can pull in $90 dollars for a blow dry, hey it may be time for a career change.

I know they are in mine. They maybe illegal in many states.

I hear you completely. Waitresses working for $2.00 hr and ANYBODY spending this kind of money on a haircut is insane. It's the disparity, the vulgarity of the excess. Just can't even wrap your head around it all, the humongous amounts of money people throw around when others can't even eat.

But really, this is just part of the Extreme generation. It's actually classic boomerism - we'll pay any amount of money for anything if we believe it's superior or elite somehow. What really kills me is that if you took something of substance to these same people, they won't pay for it. You have to add the sizzle to get the buck.

That's all I've been trying to tell people.It's not an Edwards thing to me.

I have actually pretty much decided to vote for him in the primaries if Gore doesn't jump in and since Kerry and Feingold are out and Kucinich doesn't have a chance really :-/.
Its the kinds of arguments people are using to justify this that piss me off.

Like the money I donated to Second Harvest in DU's name? Are you referring to that?

Or is it the $25,000 I donated to the Red Cross after Katrina which both my company and my husband's matched making the gift $75,000?

Is that what you mean? Because in order to donate that much, sweet cheeks, once every couple of months, I have to get my hair colored.

So sorry if that offends you. Actually. No, I'm not. You are a sanctimonious pain in the ass who has probably never even put a fucking quarter in the kettle, so to go hell.

I am confounded by the vulgarity and poverty of the mind exhibited by some of the people on this thread who think "jealousy" can be the only motivation someone has for finding conspicuous consumption abhorrent in a time of such wild inequities in the world and increasing environmental degradation.

And you don't have to have a $200.00 haircut to look "presentable" for God's sake :eyes:. There is a medium in between $250 or 400 or whatever and the $20 for which you can look presentable.

Well, I can't exactly go in front of some of the wealthiest philanthropists in the country, (cause, you see, that's what I DO) and make an ask for millions if I look like I just got up.

Got it? Nah, don't think you do and you probably won't, but I don't care. This sanctimonious shit gets old.

If you have been giving all that money to people, then I cannot argue that you have done a lot more good than I have or will for a while yet :) :thumbsup:.

But there has to be some kind of context -I have no idea who you are and I misunderstood you since I have seen you say here and in another thread a while ago that the poor are jealous of the rich or something of that sort and I thought it sounded like a right wing view. Now, with the context I can appreciate what you are saying with regard to what you do. But, with all due respect, if someone says, without any context, "its my life-style and I don't apologize for it", I do tend to assume that they are some sort of wealthy right-wing type who doesn't care about people or the environment. I guess I misread your posts and did not understand what youhave to do...

Apologies and peace out. Thank you for the philanthropic work you do.

I have been very fortunate. I had a very nice middle class upbringing that allowed me to go to college debt free and then continue on while I was teaching school to obtain my master's and PhD.

My husband and I consider ourselves to be remarkably fortunate. Yes, we both work extremely long hours, usually about 10 hours a day, we both are aware that if it were not for the middle class privilege into which we had been born, it wouldn't occur.

Which is why we give back. We do not live in an McMansion. I drive a minivan, although, it is brand new. My last one was purchased in 2000.

I do not wear designer clothes. I have several nice outfits that I wear to visit clients, but for the most part, I work from home in my pajamas.

I volunteer. A lot. It's who I was raised to be. And we give back. It's who I was raised to be and I convinced my husband very early in our marriage that it was the right way to live.

Probably my sole extravagance is my weakness for Vera Bradley purses. I love those darn things. And, I get my hair done about 1 time every two months. It DOES cost a lot, but that's the genetic code I was dealt. I don't like it. Frankly, all that time in the chair makes me nuts when I could be wheeling and dealing and getting donations for some of my favorite charities. I am so NOT one of those women who uses their hair stylist as their therapist. I doubt he even knows my name.

:toast:
Sincere apologies again for any past/present rudeness. This isn't the best medium for communication and 6+ years of ol' Chimpface have frayed my temper ;). I think many of us here are on the same page but sometimes wires can get crossed.
And thanks for all you do again.

You don't have a history of shitting all over people who can pay their bills. Unlike some others here tonight.

:pals:

"This is just part of the Extreme generation. It's actually classic boomerism - we'll pay any amount of money for anything if we believe it's superior or elite somehow."

Superbly stated. I sometimes wonder what label that generation will be given by posterity. IMO the boomers deserve a whole lot of labels, and not too many of them are positive. Gotta be one of the most self-absorbed and selfish generations in the history of this country if not the history of the entire human race. The Republican boomers are the more specific and particular objects of my ire but no doubt the greed and excess, and I'll say it again, selfishness, has affected many others in that generation to some degree or another. I'd better stop before I get started because I could go on and on about this.

And I work with the homeless. Am I out of touch as well?

Regardless of the good work you do,which I do appreciate. :shrug:

It is what it is. I go to a salon here about once every other month, but I have hard to cover grey and my hair is a bit on the longish side.

I despise the time in the chair even more than the money, it is a colossal waste of time, but what else can I do?

Coloring it myself makes me look like a bad version of Morticia Adams and I HAVE to at least look presentable some of the time.

But I know my wife managed to look "presentable" with the same gray hair and even with it cut it wasn't even close to $250.

And Morticia was hot anyways! When you look like her gimme a call! ;)


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$10.00 Yes, the decimal is in the right place. And I look fine. Nobody would know the difference between my hair and yours. Gads. The egos.

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and had an actual reason for needing more expensive hair treatment. I was being, what's the word - empathetic. Heard of it? No? Back on ignore for you and there you'll stay.

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You jumped into this thread to slam Edwards because of a haircut. A damn haircut.

I wish you were one of the ones who cared enough to jump into the numerous threads that I've posted on poverty & homelessness... the threads that I've posted, begging people to call their Senators & Reps about the budget cuts. Some of them are here: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Sapphire%20Blue

No, instead, you invest your time in slamming a presidential candidate because of a damn haircut. A presidential candidate who sincerely cares about fighting poverty, a presidential candidate who walks the walk. No, he didn't take a vow of poverty & join a monastery. He has invested his life in fighting poverty. He is committed to eliminating poverty. Eliminating it. Read the damn OP. Read post #26 (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x690354#691372). Go to http://johnedwards.com and learn more about the candidate.

Or vote for someone who doesn't give a damn about you.

It was stupid and I stick by it.

I never said I wouldn't vote for him because of it.

I never told anyone else to not vote for him because it.

I know where Edwards stands on this.Why the hell do you think this is so disappointing?

Why is it so hard to understand that one can actually like Edwards and be bothered by this?

Have you read some of the crappy things said in this thread? This is not the first time some of these people have attacked others for being poorer than them. I can't even say poor because these are people who don't think $150,000+ a year is rich. They truly believe they "struggle". It's the disconnect that's being attacked. The obliviousness to what $400 means to most families in this country. MOST families, not the top 5% who think they "struggle". That's the objection. It isn't a reason not to vote for Edwards, it IS a manufactured outrage for political reasons - but there is still some validity in the disappointment. Disappointment, not booting someone out of the Democratic Party or something.

BRING DOWN THE DAMN WALL THAT'S DIVIDING US & START TALKING TO EACH OTHER INSTEAD OF FIGHTING.

LET'S START WORKING TOGETHER, NO MATTER WHERE WE GET OUR HAIR CUT, NO MATTER WHETHER WE SHOP AT THE SALVATION ARMY OR SOME FANCY SCHMANCY BOUTIQUE. LET'S START WORKING TOGETHER FOR THE COMMON GOOD, OR WE MIGHT AS WELL BE REPUBLICANS.

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let that poster say whatever she wants with no substance?

You're no better than she is.

And no, I'm no better than she is. And I'm no worse than she is. I'm no better or worse than you are. You're no better or worse than either of us.

BRING DOWN THE DAMN WALL THAT'S DIVIDING US & START TALKING TO EACH OTHER INSTEAD OF FIGHTING.

LET'S START WORKING TOGETHER, NO MATTER WHERE WE GET OUR HAIR CUT, NO MATTER WHETHER WE SHOP AT THE SALVATION ARMY OR SOME FANCY SCHMANCY BOUTIQUE. LET'S START WORKING TOGETHER FOR THE COMMON GOOD, OR WE MIGHT AS WELL BE REPUBLICANS.

But this isn't the first time I've had to defend the fact that I'm not poverty stricken with that poster.

It's extremely easy to play the victim and shit all over people without actually getting any facts. There are people on this board who seem to feel that if you aren't one step from homelessness you aren't a 'true liberal'. It's a bunch of crap. If not for people like me and the work I do professionally, there wouldn't be any philanthropy to speak of and I don't apologize for having to look decent for my job in asking a guy like George Soros for $20 million. I doubt he'd even talk to me if I walked in looking as though I had just woken up.

And, frankly, it's not your job to police the threads.

I don't know your history w/the other poster, nor do I want to know. Perhaps you could both BRING DOWN THE DAMN WALL THAT'S DIVIDING US & START TALKING TO EACH OTHER INSTEAD OF FIGHTING.

LET'S START WORKING TOGETHER, NO MATTER WHERE WE GET OUR HAIR CUT, NO MATTER WHETHER WE SHOP AT THE SALVATION ARMY OR SOME FANCY SCHMANCY BOUTIQUE. LET'S START WORKING TOGETHER FOR THE COMMON GOOD, OR WE MIGHT AS WELL BE REPUBLICANS.

Honestly, we're all Democrats here aren't we? We want to make this a better country, don't we? For the love of God, let's start acting like it.

It's up to the mods to police the threads, not the OP.

And FWIW, some people would prefer to stay a victim than to try to enact a solution.

I have no beef with you or your OP. You, as the OP, do not get to police the threads. It is up to the mods, (coming from someone who was a mod for several terms)

My issue was the bullshit posted by someone else in this thread, not you. I happen to agree with you.

I don't agree with the victim mentality that follows any thread here at DU about people who are able to get a starbucks every day without sinking into bankruptcy.

You should be well aware of civility rules here.

Perhaps you might stop a moment to think about what it's like to have a budget in which the amount that you have to spend on the entire day's food is equal to the price of a starbucks. Before you go off on a rampage & call me a parasite, I pay my own bills, and I'm not saying that you should stop getting your daily starbucks... just try to see what life is like from the other side.

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IMHO she is being clever, funny AND spot on. I'd hate for this discussion board to become DemocraticCandyland.

And I agree with you OP 100 percent. But I get tired of the puling and whining of some posters about people who have legitmally made decent money and their assumptions that they aren't doing anything worthwhile with it.

I disagree with you. Clear enough?

That particular poster has said that exact thing to ME on several occasions and you know what, eventually it pisses a person off.

So your sanctimony is a tad misplaced.

"I decided that I should pray for the housed.": http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Sapphire%20Blue/229

:eyes:

And, frankly, your behavior is tiresome. Sanctimonious, and truly, truly tiresome.

so fragile as to be bothered by much of what happens on a discussion board. Outside of whacky conspiracy theories or obvious violent threats. I was told the 1st day I joined DU that you need a thick skin to thrive here. It was good advice.

I also try not to bother the busy mods because someone uses vulgarities here and there.

'A thick skin': http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Sapphire%20Blue/245

When Loreal will do just as well? I should give every dime I make to the poor and live in a box.

Oh, wait, no that's what other posters want us to do. :eyes:

a shave and a haircut was definitely more than six bits, but I have to agree, $400 is a painful illustration for many of the disparity between our political elite and the less affluent in our country. A beard trim and haircut was $15 if one looked for a normal barbershop with the nostalgic barber pole.

$1500 hair styles and $400 haircuts??? Do I want someone who makes this kind of use of public funding, supervising the national budget paid by taxpayers?

In Nicaragua over half of the people live on $2 a day, and for $24 a month you can give food, schooling, and provide a roof for a third world child living in poverty. And both political parties in the United States support aggressive capitalist globalized free trade to further take advantage of the impoverished state of third world economies, to serve corporate profits.

In this context it is hard not to be appalled at the privileged ruling class vainly spending more public money on doos, than children are provided in a year, for food clothing and education, in half the world.

Don't even get me started on the military and intelligence expenditure that gives this exploitive greedy society the teeth it needs to maintain global hegemonic economic super power. The American lifestyle and hairstyle is not negotiable, but it appears the soul of the society trades fairly with vanity and frivolous consumption.

Hard for me not to agree with you, Forkboy, the politicians are completely out of touch with the unwashed, at home, and abroad.

I wouldn't even know where to get a $200 haircut. I wouldn't even know what makes a haircut worth $200. Waitresses working for $2 an hour and the 1% continues to take their dividends and stock profits and never look back, or down, or wherever the workers are.

so yes, really.

And that's not on Rodeo. That's what I, and nearly everyone I've spoken to about haircuts (read: friends and co-workers) pay on a regular basis.

Believe me, the 90% that don't make over $100,000 a year are NOT spending that much on their hair. As long as that portfolio keeps rising - who cares about foreign slave labor or polluting Chinese rivers or kids without health care.

oh that's cute. You think I make over $100,000 a year?!

:rofl:

My, my, aren't you just chock full of assumptions!

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It's not worth it.

;)

It's like talking to a wall. But, I am in the same boat as you. $250 to get my hair done. Thankfully, it doesn't happen every month, but when you get to my age, there's a lot of work to be done.

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Ah well, neither here nor there. It's a ridiculous thing to be all upset about anyway!

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Which I've already done, actually. Feels great and is a LOT less trouble.

versus male cut are not even in the same league.

Not that he paid $400/- for a hair cut. Why does the campaign have to pay for a personal grooming? I really do not get this.

Ed. for spelling error...

to not only the world of political players but in their own way celebrities..

he has my vote as does any dem that in the end recieves the ticket period, end of discussion.

How many suits has Obama payed for with CC?

Don't know? That's because this issue is only being applied to Edwards.

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Next?

and rhetoric is easier believed when it is actually lived.

My wife told me the janitors at her work were laughing about Edwards today, and not in a good way. They weren't laughing with him. They were laughing at him, in a wrong-side-of-the-two-Americas sort of way.

Sure, I can believe people would support John Edwards. But I don't think the American public will.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

The culture was different in the 60's. There just wasn't this insane disparity between every day people, the rich in their own towns, or even the super-rich. Of course there was some disparity, but not like this. It's just crazy. It's like spending several hundred dollars, let alone thousands, for a concert ticket. I've had the money to do it in the past, and just wouldn't. It's just insane.

People want to feel superior, that's all there is to it.

It was a different time. And JFK certainly didn't run a campaign based on decrying conspicuous consumption and income disparity.

Mind you, I really don't give a damn about Edward's pricey 'do. It's his (poor campaign contributor's) money, and I'm not even sure I agree with his poor-American-poor message. But that level of tin ear in campaigning does concern me. If he made it to the general, he'll be eaten alive by the Republicans. And for once, justifiably so.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

Remember when they went ape sh*t over Clinton's getting a hair cut on the runway at LAX?

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Redstone

so you are the ENEMY here..... Get it?????

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You know I love you, dude. Hope you're doing better today.

For those of you outraged by a $400 haircut, I have news for you. Rich people spend money on things you and I would never dream of spending it on.

Nonetheless, you cannot escape who your are. John Edwards is the son of a mill worker. Yes, he made plenty of dough in the lawyering business, but that does not mean he didn't eat his share of biscuits back in the day. As someone who grew up in poverty in the south, and made it on my own to a comfortable, middle-class life, why should I begrudge John edwards for going even further? Is extreme poverty now a qualification for public office? I don't think it should be, because, as anyone who knows anything about being poor knows, poverty is degrading.

Anyway, I would entrust the care of the needy far more to a John Edwards than a George W. Bush, who always had family millions to bail him out of his various failures.

I'm thinking basic cable versus digital. How DARE those people who can afford it have digital cable when the rest of the world has to SUFFER with basic.

While the rest of us have to slave away over a washing machine or visit a laundromat!

Too expensive for me. I prefer to mask the odor of my fetid clothing with the smell of cigarettes. I call it "Camelflage!"

Only kidding. I can't afford Camels, I smoke generics.

...the more I'm starting to like him. I liked him back in '04 already, but the more he gets attacked over irrelevant non-issues, the more I feel like sticking up for him. He's still my #2 choice in the primaries, but he's starting to be a really close #2 choice.

In fact, we ALL should! I mean, think of all the poor people starving in Africa while we spend tens of dollars every year to buy hair care products!

We are all such elitist bastards indulging our hair with such idle luxuries and we need to be thoroughly raked over the coals for it!

TV ads. I heard he paid for his barber to fly to meet him to do his haircut, and that isthe biggestpart of the $400.

So what? Does anyone ask how much the WH barber is paid? I sure have never heard what it might be.

For god sake, wealthy people pay more for things than we do. That's a fact, so get over it!

his house did he?

I have always like Edwards and his wife, and I still think he is a good candidate.

But the haircut thing is not "nothing".

To those of you who pay $200+ for a men's haircut, sorry, you are not anywhere near being in the norm.

I have two kids and cut both of their hair myself (and mine) to stay within our budget, and my wife has to keep her salon visits to a minimum.

I think we all understand that Edwards is a fabulously wealthy man, and that is a result of his considerable skill as an attorney, and I don't have a problem with that.

He has a palatial home, but he earned it, within the law.

But the haircuts, and the fact that they were paid for by DONATIONS from hardworking people much poorer than him, ARE A PROBLEM.

If you truly support his candidacy, you should point out his many good qualities, but encourage that he acknowledge his error, and move on.

Trying to gloss it over only makes you and him look insensitive to the working people who have supported his candidacy.

I saw one person saying that the stylist was compensated for travel, etc.. This is an excuse? There is a Supercuts on every corner!

How Edwards could have done this without remembering Clinton & Christophe is beyond me.

Oh and then someone else mentioned Romney's hair. Hello! Romney is a republican! They run on a platform of greed and exploitation! He could light his cigars with hundred dollar bills on national TV and it probably

wouldn't hurt him all that much.


I honestly hope Edards addresses this and moves on and builds a strong candidacy, because I honestly think he is a better candidate than Hillary or Obama.

But with "friends" like the posters in this thread, Edwards may be in trouble. REAL friends sometimes have to tell you things you don't want to hear.

Editorial styling is essential for anyone doing TV, print media and public appearances. Is that really so hard to understand? It's a specialty that cost more than average person would spend to have their hair done. They don't do it at stupidcuts or Joe's barbershop.

Mr. Edwards already admitted his mistake and is paying back his campaign. That's good enough for me.

I'm leaving him alone now.

So why don't you?

It's OVER already.

Hey SB :hi:. How are you doing tonight? Good to see you in GD.

I was hoping that people might get past the house/haircut/BS attack du jour and look at issues... perhaps read the OP. Silly me.

:hi: Good to see you, too.

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There's a thread that dropped like a rock explaining the accounting error which Edwards corrected by reimbursing the campaign that the original AP article failed to mention....it was always a non-story, but DUers tend to embelish and move forward RW talking points thinking it helps "their" candidate :silly:

Also, many DUers still think the Duke LAX players are guilty. Sad, isn't it ?

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There's a quote by some famous person, something like "A lie travels around the world a hundred times before the truth ever gets out the door." It is so very true. I saw a thread in GD: P re the correction. I think I'll post it here.

You know, I'm one of the first around here to diss the greedy rich bastards in this country, but I won't and don't diss Edwards because in my gut I know he's one of the good rich guys. I could give a damn about the house or the haircut because he earned em fair and square without exploiting anyone.

DUers should know better than to fall for the freeperish b.s. about the house and the hair, yet they do.


News Flash: some around here are pushing the house and hair memes for ulterior AKA freeperish motives. :think:

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Each & every one of us!

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the next election, hands down!

signed,

Your friendly neighborhood liberals

you're telling me "look at his house!!!" WHERE? WHERE'S THE HOUSE SAPPHIRE??