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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 02:37 PM Original message |
Let's face it: exhorting a disillusioned base to "stick with the team" has NEVER worked. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. Poor performance yield poor results! |
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Glorfindel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
2. Very well said! |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
3. ... |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
4. amen baby knr |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
5. But you must dislodge those who want to steer the party for financial gain. |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #5 |
86. How do you do that? Corporate money is often disguised as individual gifts. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:59 AM Response to Reply #5 |
90. Just Get Rahm Emmanuel and Maybe Hillary Out |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. Well consider our side had absolutely NO get out the vote campaign |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. You can't "get out the vote" for a candidate nobody wants to vote for |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. +1 |
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TornadoTN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
34. Creigh Deeds is a good example of that |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
36. Bill Thompson is another example of a pre-defeated candidate. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
7. Mission Accomplished! |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
9. It's a simple fact, completely independent of anything we say here. |
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theFrankFactor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
89. Precisely! |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
10. Amen, Brother! |
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enigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
11. Great post |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
12. If only we had something like an Underground, where we could discuss radical ideas |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Hmmm.... what a cool idea! |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. I dunno--seems like somebody would have already tried to do something like that |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. There was a site created by a few old DUers who found themselves too Left for DU |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
53. I used to know one. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
14. hear HEAR! |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
18. We need mail in ballots across the board. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
19. The real base is the people who stick with the team |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. The real team is the one who sticks with their base |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:34 AM Response to Reply #20 |
56. +1 |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. +1 |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. You mean literally +1 (plus one vote) |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
50. Ok |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #50 |
115. Mine is that by following your advice/thoughts... |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #115 |
124. Nobody is forcing anybody to stay with the Democratic Party AFAIK |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
114. It certainly won't be easy... |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 06:53 AM Response to Reply #21 |
81. to Proud Liberal Dem |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #81 |
99. I didn't say that the Dems have been perfect |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. The real question is whether "your team" cares to win or not. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. If most people really want single payer |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. That's your answer? We're too stupid to elect real leaders? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. I fear your post is very, very far from the "reality" you espouse. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #35 |
94. Well made point |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #94 |
98. Thanks and greetings! |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 06:55 AM Response to Reply #24 |
82. the Irish-Americans don't want single payer? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:32 AM Response to Reply #19 |
73. The ruling class creates "reality" with their policies & propaganda. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #19 |
93. the real base |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
26. There are so many things that are wrong with this |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. There are so many things that are wrong with this |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. The fact is that if you were to sort that list by how lberal they are |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Scoreboard |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. A President who had to cheat to do so |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Remind me again: what, exactly, did Candidate Kerry do about said cheating? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. He saved the Democratic party's viability |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I'm sure the residents of New Orleans will be relieved to know that. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. You assume that he had a magic way that he could have fought the result and won |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Yes, he could have *fought* -- win or lose |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. To Kerry, fighting was what he did do |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Which is exactly the problem. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. No, what he did was constructive and he, with many others, |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:02 AM Response to Reply #37 |
83. kerry |
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BuelahWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #83 |
95. Yes, Kerry fought harder against Dean than Bush, it seems |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
27. Here's the rub -- Dems will lose elections to preserve the flow of Corporate $$$ |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Of course. Even campaign finance reform won't stop this |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
30. word up |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
31. That we even have to do this reality check again in 2009-10 is just pathetic |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
32. Here is THE Answer. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Can you even imagine a modern politician supporting something like that? |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 05:43 AM Response to Reply #33 |
79. AMEN to that |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #32 |
97. We should |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #32 |
102. KR; Excellent; I urge you to make this a stand alone OP |
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branders seine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
38. The owners of this country want both parties to perpetuate the staus quo. |
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merkins (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
42. K&R |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
45. It will never change until we stop holding our noses for the "not as bad" candidates. k&r |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #45 |
101. Agree |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
48. The real problem is, wishy washy Dems look at the teabag shit today.... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 05:55 AM Response to Reply #48 |
80. If there was such a thing, that would be a great idea. But there isn't. n/t |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:54 AM Response to Original message |
54. The only way to stop the corruption in Washington DC is to stop paying taxes en masse. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
55. K & R |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:45 AM Response to Original message |
57. Rove claimed huge repub victories against dems in'06 fpr being anti war and he was way wrong |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:46 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. People will come out strongly for a dem who stands up for a progressive agenda every time |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:47 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Cautious middle of the road dems win as the lesser of 2 evils only if at all |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:47 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. That's because they fixed many of the votes a month ahead of time |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:51 AM Response to Original message |
61. Gore won the popular vote in 2000 |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:59 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. If he had run as a real progressive, he would have walked away with the election |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:07 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Gore was saddled with "Clinton fatigue" |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:15 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Gore made himself vulnerable by running to the right and running away from his core beliefs |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:24 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Once again-- Gore won the 2000 election |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:26 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Clearly. Who could forget those 8 years of President Gore? |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:31 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. For crying out loud |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:36 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. He didn't even win his home state. |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:49 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. His home state is super conservative |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:57 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. No, they stole a statistical tie |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #76 |
105. Art, he did win the popular vote, but I also remember from 2000 that |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. Thanks for the reminder |
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mule_train (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
106. Gore picked an obnoxious back stabbing neocon who looked and talked like snagglepuss for VP |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #62 |
92. Having Lieberturd on that ticket didn't help matters. |
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Libertas1776 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:08 AM Response to Original message |
64. K&R |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:22 AM Response to Original message |
66. K&R |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:26 AM Response to Original message |
68. You are so right, jgraz. And in California, Democrats always |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:28 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Hopefully, Jerry Brown will make it again |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:30 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. They are raising a lot of corruption rumors. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:32 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. As always. The corporations are shitting themselves at the thought of another Brown admin |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 05:30 AM Response to Original message |
78. Now Now... |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
84. The "Who The Fuck Else Ya Gonna Vote For, Sucker?!" Strategy |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
85. designated party of failure |
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ekwhite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
87. K&R |
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theFrankFactor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
88. A Sober, Responsible, Mature Opinion! K&R! |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
91. Ya got that right! |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
96. The problem is |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
100. I'm done settling for less! I want results! |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
103. kick |
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mule_train (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
104. As long as both candidates are freetrader, open borders, pro h-1b visa corporatists, I dont care who |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
107. The first year of the Obama administration is a failure |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
108. You're right.... |
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bluestateboomer (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
109. That's it in a nutshell! |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
110. it's long past time that we stop settling for less |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
112. It actually encourages more disillusionment. nt |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Which, I'm starting to think, may be the goal. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. Absolutely right on. |
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Naked_Ape (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
117. OK, here we go... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. Wow, post #1! Welcome to DU. |
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Naked_Ape (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Thanks! |
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Number9Dream (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
118. In PA we're bring told to trust Arlen Specter |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. Just make sure Specter doesn't win the primary |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
122. Hear, hear! Well said. n/t |
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Sunnyshine (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
123. Seems neither is loyal to commoners. Find myself asking more & more- are we electing law breakers? |
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