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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:15 PM Original message |
Cho Seung-Hui is the 9th School Shooter Under Influence of Psychiatric Drugs |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. Interesting. But is it correlation rather than causation? |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Reminds me of the old psychiatrist "joke" |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Ha! That's a good way to describe it |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
2. The connection isn't to medication but to sloppy monitoring of medication. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Yes, this is exactly the problem |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. At several points, they had my ex on a bad cocktail and he had |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. or more to the point, the extreme profits that go with pushing medications |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Well, my experience is that doctors who write scripts don't then monitor |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:19 PM Original message |
Diagnosis too |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
33. First doc Doug went to was a fancy guy with 11 books to his name |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. I agree completely |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. If it were only money, well, the problem would be much simpler. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
29. Bingo. Or prescription of the wrong medication. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. Well, we had the arguably best shrink in town prescribe something |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
3. Methinks he was plenty crazy enough to do the killing all on his own. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. his roomates saw him take his meds. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. And? Proper medication enabled my ex to have something like |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
40. He is in the minority. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Do you have a source for that? Because it seems to me |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
60. Yes, there are many sources. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Here ya go. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 05:26 AM Response to Reply #62 |
72. Well, I have no idea if my exhusband is stable today or not. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 12:05 AM Response to Reply #40 |
64. so like, people who are treated effectively for mental health are the minority |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 01:35 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Effectively. Define effectively. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #24 |
80. And proper medication enables my 2 paranoid schizophrenic brothers to have an almost normal life |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 10:48 AM Response to Reply #9 |
76. I read where they saw him APPLY HIS ACNE MEDS TO HIS SKIN. Can |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Nope, just read in NYTimes yesterday they saw him take meds. No specification |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
35. You've bought right into the Prison Industry Paradigm. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #35 |
77. Don't presume to lecture me on mental illness. As a family member of a schizophrenic, |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
4. What Total Malarkey. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Well, it would be worth it to look at the evidence of increased suicidal tendencies, etc. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Hey, At The Same Time Look Into His Shoes Please. They May Have Been Uncomfortable. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. As I said elsewhere, it's futile to tie down such extreme behavior to a single cause |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
45. one thing you might want to consider- |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Its a Scientology propaganda outfit |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
50. And there you go. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
57. Yep |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
27. Tell the UK that it is "malarkey." They have BANNED these drugs for people under 18 BECAUSE |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Bingo. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
30. Oh gosh, not malarkey at all |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
44. The Scientology source is bogus, but there is peer-reviewed science here. |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
5. Psychotic people are often on anti-psychotic drugs. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. That might cause some to wonder if they work. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
61. Well, some of the side effects are...psychosis. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 05:45 AM Response to Reply #12 |
75. There are different kinds of ant psychotic drugs and all of them |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
8. I don't know that they have confirmed that he was on psych |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
11. Umm the CCHR is a SCIENTOLOGY Org |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Well that changes things--I wouldn't trust that as a source |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Possible but I doubt it. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
42. I wouldn't trust this source on anything, JP |
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Puregonzo1188 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
20. Citizens Commission on Human Rights is Scientologist group (n/t) |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Interesting. |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
25. Psych drugs have saved my life and lots of other lives n/t |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
26. Two words: Andrea Yates |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. She was another story. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:26 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Correct -- the pregnancies caused it, not the meds |
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HuffleClaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
31. $cientology propaganda |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
34. Joe-Bob Nobody is the 8 millionth non-shooter also taking psych meds |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. no, it was his penis |
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KitchenWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. not his penis, but his testes |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
46. Would he have been better off with no meds at all? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Isn't that what he just did? |
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Daedelus76 (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
49. Citizens Commision on Human Rights is linked to Scientology |
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Pachamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 02:29 AM Response to Reply #49 |
70. True about this Scientology group's position, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a real issue |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
51. What is the reluctance to think Big Pharma might be selling us BAD DRUGS?? |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 10:54 AM Response to Reply #51 |
81. It's called Evidence Based Practice |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #51 |
88. They're called double-blind, randomized control trials. n/t |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
52. "psychiatric drug-induced school shootings" |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
53. Is there any evidence he was on the drugs? |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 08:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I just saw a thread pointing to a news story that mentioned that he used "acne medicine" |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #54 |
85. Tell me about it |
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Geek_Girl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
55. I'd like to see more facts about what medications he was on |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
56. Worth a K&R. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
58. I'm not really interested |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
59. Seems to me more like he wasn't on the right drugs or the right amount of drugs. |
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TacticalPeek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
63. From Harper's Index: |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
65. Perfect storm: over-medicated/go off meds suddenly + easy access to guns + bad healthcare system |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
66. Scientologist propaganda on the greastest page -- niiiiiice |
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PermanentRevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
67. The Law Project For Psychiatric Rights |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 01:46 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. It is my understanding that when someone WHO is clinically depressed is first placed |
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murloc (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 02:39 AM Response to Original message |
71. I wouldnt expect stable people to Psychiatric Drugs |
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Philosoraptor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 05:32 AM Response to Original message |
73. We've doped our kids for decades by the millions. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 05:44 AM Response to Original message |
74. Any chance that the military might be using this on our soldiers? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
78. How do you know it wouldn't have been worse had he not been doped up? |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
82. CCHR is a Scientology outfit. Don't spread this crap. n/t |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
83. Maybe he was misdiagnosed |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. There is zero evidence he was schizophrenic |
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camero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Like Psychosis |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. I also don't think he was psychotic |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
84. HOSPITALS CAUSE CANCER |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
87. I am on anti-depressants and they allow me to function |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Psych drugs saved my life nt |
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