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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:16 PM Original message |
Poll question: Are all Christians the enemies of all LGBT people? |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. Do you think that there are no LGBT Christians? I know many |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. No, not my view. |
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el_bryanto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. I think that the point is the Christians are the opponents of rational thought |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Alright, but even more than being about irrational thought |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Yeah, that's the thing, IMO. |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. many of the gay folk on DU are christian. I don't notice too many |
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endless october (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. voted no. n/t |
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BlueGirlRedState (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
4. Episcopalians have a gay bishop (NT) |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
54. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if we had more than one |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
71. Yes, and there were many openly gay active members of my Episcopal |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
5. No, but they're not allies either unless they stand up to their brothers/sisters in faith. n/t |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Okay, that's a good starting point I think |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
59. Love thy neighbors as you love yourself |
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TokenQueer (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #59 |
91. I doubt that, since he probably was one... |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
22. I agree,. they bear A lot of responsiblilty |
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SacredCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
6. I have to say not..... |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
8. Using "all" makes your poll useless. The same would go for "none". |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Well the "all" is relevent to a particular point |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
9. It's widespread amongst the loudest DUers. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
40. Exactly. The volume certainly does not equate to the actual numbers. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
13. The obvious answer to the nonsense question is clearly no. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Then start that poll. I'd vote no. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
14. Other: Yep |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
16. I am coming to that conclusion. There's little to suggest otherwise. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Sadly, I agree. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. My friend, you mentioned upthread that |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Well, I agree that in this country and Europe, it is Catholics, Mormons, Baptists |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Understood. nt |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. And you can prove "very rare exceptions" how? Or is that speculation? |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Well, I've seen people say Obama |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. I'm coming to that conclusion. Does that bother you that I don't like your Jesus very much? |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. To what conclusion though? |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Read the OP. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. "I've never seen evidence to the contrary." |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. Show me this evidence: |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #45 |
81. So I'd have to turn every Christian, including the RWers, |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. When one has to even ask if people believe that "every" Christian is hateful, it admits the problem. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #85 |
106. Ok, you're offended I tried to make peace with you. |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
42. Sorry mate, I am at best a deist like our Founding Fathers. Trying to pass off opinion as fact, eh? |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #42 |
56. You want to know what is "speculating"? |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
86. Your explanation is applicable to so many things though |
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gatorboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
24. I've known several LGBT Christians. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
25. There are people who believe that allowing gays equal rights is the right thing to do... |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
27. only the ones who keep staying in churches that denigrate gays |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. and also those who object but attend, and combine that with silence |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Silence is complicity. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I just realized, that was ACT-UP's motto, wasn't it? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. And |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. Can't argue with that. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
112. Now you are talking, spoony. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
76. Ah. The purist argument. America contributes money, power and numbers to constant war. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. yes, because clearly changing churches and changing citizenship are exactly the same thing |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
31. some chrisitans are LGBT people |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Quite right. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #34 |
55. there are many who feel that religion even moderate religion feeds into |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
36. The only "all" of any groups which are enemies of GLBT people are homophobic bigots. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
41. Thanks for your input, all. |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
43. Are all Republicans our enemies? |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #43 |
57. I agree... "there are some good ones". |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
44. Real Christians (those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus Christ) don't hate anybody. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Then I've never met a "real christian". |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. ' I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.' |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. wow! nice to see you bluebear |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. I love that quotation by Gandhi. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
67. You realize, of course |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
46. As a gay person, no, no, no, no, and NO! |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. thank you. nt |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. TommyO |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #52 |
65. Sadly, not all DUers are supportive of gay people and our rights |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 07:49 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. I just find that so hard to understand |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
58. love conquers all |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. +1 nt |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. yup. nt |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
61. What a silly question! |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
62. Of course not |
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Geek_Girl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
63. There are Welcoming Christian churches |
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Kievan Rus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
66. Utter nonsense. Just as rotten as saying all Muslims are the enemies of women |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. I Don't Get Your Point. |
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gleaner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
68. I picked no ..... |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
70. No way. That is ridiculous. I am a Christian, and I fully |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
72. Okay. No Snark. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Whoa. Agree from the first word to last. +1000. |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. I agree with you, and I am a Christian. I think many people |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #72 |
83. I understand most of that. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #83 |
99. "I hope there is a time when all of this is made right." |
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TokenQueer (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #72 |
94. Yeah...what he said. |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
73. Some people are simply looking for enemies. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
77. Not all Christians are straight; not all straights are Christian; not all |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
79. My neighbors are a gay Christian couple. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
82. I voted the first one |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
84. No, but unfortunately fundie & Catholic bigots get all the press. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
87. LGBT people have *much* worse enemies than Christians |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. So that's your standard? American Christians at least are not executing us? |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. It's not my "standard" |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Thank you for telling me which hateful acts against gay people that I should "focus" on. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. So who do you think is the worse enemy of gay people? |
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TokenQueer (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. A huge number of christians in the U.S. would be thrilled at the thought of killing gays in public. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. How could you even begin to back that up with evidence? |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. American Christians who lecture me that I should be grateful that they're not killing me. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. Hmmm. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. All I know is the guy was offended by my saying we were on the same side |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. Oh, Please. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. I am the *worst* kind of religious person? |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. The Purpose Of This Thread Was To Discuss Christians and Gay People |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Damn. I am growing to like you, Toasterlad. |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #93 |
101. What about African Christians? |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
88. I will not go to any church that is not inclusive of gays. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
96. Nice douchebag bigot poll-unreced |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Classy. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. I read your bigoted poll. A reaction shouldn't be a surprise (nt) |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. You obviously read nothing else. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
102. When DU has made up its collective mind... |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
108. That'd be a big, fat No. |
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