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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:31 PM
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Giovanni kicked killer out of class
BLACKSBURG, Va. -- Former Cincinnatian Nikki Giovanni, a Virginia Tech professor, says she wasn’t surprised when officials identified one of her former students as the gunman in the campus massacre.

"I knew when it happened that that's probably who it was. I would have been shocked if it wasn't," Giovanni told CNN, referring to Cho Seung Hui, a 23-year-old senior English major.

"I've taught troubled youngsters. I've taught crazy people. It was the meanness that bothered me. It was a, really, mean streak."

Giovanni, other English professors and Cho’s classmates were alarmed by his class writings - pages filled with twisted, violence-drenched writing.

"It was not bad poetry. It was intimidating," Giovanni said.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070418/NEWS01/304190001
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:32 PM
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1. Having been exposed to too many an English major's poetry
I can almost guarantee it was bad as well. :D
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:14 PM
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16. Was I ever in you class?
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:17 PM
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19. Hey! I resemble that remark! (n/t)
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:33 PM
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2. I wonder if every mean student Giovanni met became a threat to society? n/t
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:33 PM
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3. Maybe Giovanni caused the killings. Or maybe it was video games.
:crazy:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:56 PM
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6. Not a teacher, I take it?
Nor an actually concerned individual.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:44 PM
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9. What does being a teacher or not have to do with my question? n/t
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:45 PM
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12. I wonder how many students she has put her job on the line
for. This is serious stuff!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:39 PM
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4. There was only silence and their silence condemned them...
Jesus said to the crowd: "If you had one hundred sheep, and one of them strayed away and was lost in the wilderness, wouldn't you leave the ninety-nine others to go and search for the lost one until you found it? And then you would joyfully carry it home on your shoulders. When you arrived, you would call together your friends and neighbors to rejoice with you because your lost sheep was found. In the same way, heaven will be happier over one lost sinner who returns to God than over ninety-nine others who are righteous and haven't strayed away!" (Luke 15:4-7)
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:54 PM
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14. WTF is that supposed to mean? She's a teacher -- her job isn't to save him.
Or heal him.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:47 PM
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5. Did she mention that she knew him in her eulogy?

Not that it would have been appropriate - but I think her connection with him has been strangely slow to emerge...
and wonder if that other teacher hadn't spoken out, would she have?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:57 PM
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7. She gave him a writing assignment...
and then kicked him out because she didn't like it?

Talk about mean.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:07 PM
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8. That is not the whole story.
It's too long to tell here, but read up on it. This guy was a big problem in his English classes, years ago, for how he made other students uncomfortable--to the point where Giovanni threatened to resign if she had to keep teaching him. Eventually it got to the point where the department head was giving him one-on-one tutorials because no one wanted to be in class with him.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:14 PM
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10. Why didn't they kick him out of school then?
I don't know what the rules are but if he was that much of a problem, why didn't someone do something? Haven't we figured out by now to pay attention to these signs? Every time this sort of thing happens, we get information that someone knew something was wrong- they wrote about it, they were a disruptive influence or something. This could have been prevented.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:44 PM
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11. Hmm... kind of supports the "evil" argument
I wish I could hear more about what she actually sensed with this guy.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:45 PM
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13. Isn't ANYONE going to mention that NG is a MAJOR AMERICAN POET??
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:12 PM
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15. She's also an amazing woman. I've met her.
Incredibly warm and intense.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:15 PM
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18. I would love to meet her.
She and Maya are two of the greatest poets in America.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:14 PM
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17. Do we have to?
:)
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:20 PM
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20. I was going to say, is that THE Nikki Giovanni, wow.
What I don't understand is why the school authorities ignored her and the other people who were frightened of this man. Here's a professor, a renowned poet who says that she'll quit if she has to keep teaching this individual, and the authorities just sort of ignore her.
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