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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:44 PM
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Was Cho another victim of Accutane psychosis? He used acne meds
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3052279&page=1

Cho, a senior majoring in English, was normally in bed by 9 p.m. each night, up again by 7 a.m. But he began rising earlier, sometimes by 5:30 a.m., to put in his contact lenses, take prescription pills and apply acne medicine. (LA Times)

http://www.accutanenews.com/psychiatric_problems.html

ADVERSE SIDE EFFECTS: Psychiatric: Suicidal ideation, suicide attempts, suicide, depression, psychosis, aggression, violent behaviors, emotional instability. ...some reported that the depression subsided with discontinuation of therapy and recurred with reinstitution of therapy.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:46 PM
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1. Crap, is there anything out there that can't make you crazy or kill you?
:scared:
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:47 PM
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2. I used that stuff years ago and didn't experience any of that stuff
Just b/c drug companies warn about all that stuff doesn't mean they have done ongoing research to prove a link.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:48 PM
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3. Which is one of the reasons that the monitor patients . . .
Taking Accutane so closely -- and have for several years. If he was taking it, he slipped through the cracks of a very comprehensive program.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:50 PM
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5. Wouldn't it be contra-indicated to give Accutane
to someone with a history of mental health problems? Shouldn't his doctor have stopped prescribing it as soon as he was hospitalized?
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:54 PM
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6. Or not prescribed it in the first place. They don't let you stay on it . . .
For more than a month without a face-to-face evaluation and blood work. If he was seen in 2005, I wouldn't expect any dermatologist would have prescribed it aftwewards.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:50 PM
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4. My cousin took acutane
And it was AWFUL.
He was threatening suicide, acting like a maniac, having panic attacks.

That said... he was ALREADY exhibiting odd traits before that.
And after the acutane he is still "off"
The difference is now he isn't suicidal.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 05:56 PM
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7. He was the victim of Chronic Phony Explanation Disease.
Everytime something happened on the news, he had to invent some pet theory to explain it. Eventually, he went nuts and went on a murder spree.
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Tom_Foolery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:03 PM
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8. I took Accutane in 1984...
and it didn't make my depression any worse. For the three months that I was on Accutane, I had to have a blood test to check for liver damage. Even after all these years, though, I do have a sensitivity to vitamin A. If I eat or drink anything high in vitamin A, my face breaks out; so I always check for that before I consume anything.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:05 PM
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9. Oh, that must the the real cause.
That poor young man.......how he must of suffered from his acne meds. Is he the real victim?:nopity:
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:17 PM
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10. What the h***?
What kind of response is that? If your point is that we should not speculate without further information, that I would understand, although it's hard to see how you control other people's speculations. On the other hand, if your point is that looking for a possible medical / pharmaceutical cause is somehow making him the "real" victim, instead of the others who were shot -- that is utter hogwash.

Your screen name implies that you are a nurse. You have never heard about psychotic, murderous and/or suicidal rages triggered by medications, or by discontinuing medications? That's odd, because I have been hearing about this stuff for years, by following the science news stories. I don't conclude from those stories that the medications have no value, and I do recognize the difference between anecdotal evidence and clinical studies -- but the evidence is clear: these brain-altering drugs do cause adverse side effects in a percentage of patients; and those side effects can include psychotic breaks, rage, worsening depression, and suicide. Also -- we don't know yet if the young man was using Accutane or not, but from other posts, it appears that the occasional side effects of this medication are well-known, enough so that they are included in the warnings about it.

I am truly puzzled by your response.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:18 PM
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11. As a nurse, are you always this sympathetic toward the mentally ill?
After all, schizophrenia is just a character defect, right? Or caused by someone's fiddling around with the Devil?
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:37 PM
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13. As a nurse, I could not give a fucking
rats ass how mentally ill this murderer was.............They know the difference between right-wrong, life-death.

This fuck, he planned, organized and efficiently carried out mass murder. He made the choice.,,,He made a video then did it again! His mental status is insignificant.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:47 PM
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14. It would seem that you are one of those Americans
who won't get it until a bomb (figurative or literal) is dropped on YOUR head. Maybe not even then... :eyes:
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:50 PM
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16. So,
We just disagree. I'm quite satisfied with my opinion.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:14 PM
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17. I'm SO SAD for you and yours...
:-(
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:37 PM
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21. I'm so very
sad for YOU and YOURS too.:cry:

Oh blessed are the pure at heart. I will pray for you. :grouphug:
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:42 PM
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23. Your profile says you're interested in Nursing and health care legislation.
If these are your interests, I would figure that your would also be interested in what causes people to snap like this young man did. The symptoms, the causes and the behaviors are all part of our nation's healthier. It would seem that anything that caused this, medications included, would be of interest.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:35 PM
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12. Yeah, it crossed my mind too.
One of the first things I thought of when I saw that he's treated for acne.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:50 PM
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15. I took Accutane
and I also have a propensity toward depression (or at least anxiety) and I experienced none of those kinds of side effects. I also know a number of people who have taken Accutane (some of whom have also had depression) and their depression was not exacerbated by the drug.

I think this kid was just seriously mentally ill, and I doubt that Accutane had anything to do with it.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:41 PM
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22. Things like this tend to affect a very small percent of the population
So your anecdotal experience doesn't really eliminate this as a possibility.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:11 PM
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18. How do we know he took Accutane?
For all we know, he could have been using Stridex. For Pete's sake.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:13 PM
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19. My God this speculation is getting to be crazier than
a HOUSE episode.
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ends_dont_justify Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:20 PM
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20. It's possible he was simply abused.
I mean his playwritings made it seem that way enough. People more often than not suffer adverse side effects to drugs when they have a bottled up something in them; it's not unreasonable to believe the drugs were a (bad alternative) reaction to abuse he sustained.
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