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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 06:53 PM
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Tell my simply, why? If you are tired of discussing VT murders, tell me why THIS happened....
Edited on Wed Apr-18-07 06:59 PM by uppityperson
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6567329.stm

Up to 200 killed in Baghdad bombs

Nearly 200 people have been killed in a string of attacks in Iraq's capital, Baghdad - the worst day of violence since a US security operation began.

In one of the deadliest attacks of the last four years, some 140 people were killed in a car bombing in a food market in Sadriya district. A witness said the area had been turned into "a swimming pool of blood". (clip)

One witness told the Reuters news agency that many of the victims were women and children. "I saw dozens of dead bodies," the man said. "Some people were burned alive inside minibuses. Nobody could reach them after the explosion. "There were pieces of flesh all over the place." Ahmed Hameed, a shopkeeper in the area said: "The street was transformed into a swimming pool of blood." (clip)

About an hour earlier, a suicide car bomb attack on a police checkpoint in Sadr City killed 35 people. Another parked car bomb killed at least 11 people near a hospital in the Karrada district of Baghdad, while in al-Shurja district at least two people were killed by a bomb left on a minibus. Two other attacks in the capital killed and wounded about 11 more people.

Hospitals in Baghdad were inundated with more than 200 injured people, many of them with serious burns from the bomb at the Sadriya market. Car and suicide bombings have occurred almost daily in Baghdad in recent months, despite a US-led security crackdown since February.

...(more@link)


Were the bombers on acne medicine? Were they taking anti-depressants? Weigh up the tragedy and consider the aftermath . Why?
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:01 PM
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1. WOULD YOU LEAVE US ALONE ALREADY?!!!
We will resume talking day and night about Iraq when we're done pondering this tragedy on our own soil. Or, we will talk about both. But in any case, Iraq will still be there after talk about the VT massacre dies down. Unfortunately.

Yeesh, there's plenty of awful things going on in the world to go around.

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:03 PM
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3. Hey, did you hear about Anna Nicole?
Yes, having this happen here, to people we knew directly was/is awful and I am having a hard time with it also. I just wanted to do a different sort of post, thanks for kicking.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:09 PM
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7. Sorry.
Actually, your post is pretty even-handed compared to others I've seen. You know--"Why all this weeping about 32 students when X amount of Iraqis died last week?" or "Why a moment of silence in congress for the VT victims and none for our soldiers this week?" and so forth. And yes, they did trot out Anna Nicole to make their point that this was "just another distracting media sob story."

I may agree with those DUers on Iraq, but in other regards, they're completely out of touch with reality. Sorry if I :nuke: up at you.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:51 PM
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12. I don't ever want to be dismissive of any death.
I don't want to compare either. Not meaning to be dismissive. I am tired and it has been a hard week/month/yr/etc and peace to you too.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:26 PM
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16. Here's the difference: Your tax dollars support the murder in Iraq.
Your tax dollars were used to destroy that nation, and to arm the government death squads and many of the militias now engaged in the civil war. So it's not just a tragedy - it's our collective act of mass murder.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:03 PM
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2. what the fuck are we surging exactly???
:shrug:
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JTG of the PRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:13 PM
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9. I think my father knows what's up with the surge in violence.
He says it's "shock and awe."

...

Yeah, it's terrible... But, sadly, it fits. This is shocking, and the sheer amount of terror and destruction that is going on in Iraq day after day after day after day after day after day after day leaves me in awe that human beings can commit such violence.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:04 PM
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4. I know. NBC spent 15 seconds on this story tonight.
The deaths of NON-AMERICANS don't mean shit.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:04 PM
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5. Simple arithmetic.
A few hundred more deaths might be considered--by a suitably twisted mind--a small price to pay, if the result is the withdrawal of an occupying army. In a way, it's not so very different from launching a war destined to kill hundreds of thousands, all for the sake of deposing one dictator. Someone judges the consequences of not acting to be worse than anything they might do.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:07 PM
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6. I think you are saying it must get bad enough before it gets better.
Enough have to suffer and die to be able to get the hell out? I know, but still it hurts. Each and every one of these people had names, most had families/ friends that will mourn them.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:23 PM
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11. I'm afraid so.
Not enough Americans care about alleged deaths occurring in a country they can't find on a map. Until they have to attend a funeral, it doesn't exist.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:10 PM
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8. It's all of a piece, imho. We may be more vocal about
the killing here but, that doesn't mean it all isn't related.

I'm a little "flashbacky" right now, but a society that could justify the killing of innocents over there only barely notices the killing of innocents here.

This must be something like learned helplessness.

:(

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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:18 PM
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10. are we 'enabling' this ? are we
the co-dependent?

I'm not so stupid that I'd think all that needs to happen is for us to pull out, and then "Poof"- Iraq would suddenly be all "peace, love and understanding"- It is going to be continued hell for the Iraqi people, but are we prolonging and magnifying the horror, the suffering??

I can't help but believe we are.

there is no 'happy ending'-- but there is such a thing as prolonging and fueling the fires.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 07:57 PM
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13. Because some people's All Powerful God needs protecting.
Or, maybe it's some wonderful ideal that requires killing people. Or, some bit of the landscape.

“What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy.” - Gandhi
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:00 PM
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14. the fundies APG needs their protection? Hadn't thought of it that way.
Why would a APG need protection? Thank you for that, I'll use that next time some idiot blathers about religion and killing those who don't Believe.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:04 PM
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15. It's always puzzled me that an omnisicient, omnipotent, omnipresent God needs defending.
Not to mention endless applause, praise, and donations.

I ascribe it to false advertising and P.T. Barnum.

"Man is the only animal to have found the One True God...several of them." - Mark Twain
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 08:33 PM
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17. This happened because Americans refuse to take ownership
of the war. They will not say that they are responsible for the deaths in Iraq. He's not my president... we have to fight them over there... my preacher says that *ush is right...Kerry would have been worse. They think anything but that our country is causing needless deaths. It is time for Americans to grow up and wrap their arms around the fact that we are killing needlessly. It is so very sad. Most don't even remember that over 50 Iraqi college students were killed this winter. Why would they cloud their pretty minds. Not one minute of silence for those young people. Don't get me wrong I feel terrible for what happened in Va. Each life is precious to me and it hurts every day that we continue this illegal war. Peace on earth, Kim
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-18-07 11:36 PM
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18. Give up and let papa protect you.
Never mind that papa is a homicidal egotistical maniac who has not intention of protecting you, or that you could be protected. Shhhh. hush little people don't worry it is a big scary world out there and just let us handle it

It hurts.
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