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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:20 PM
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WWJD? Incite Hate Crimes Against LGBT People, according to this "Pastor"
The furious explosion of nutjobs over the passage of the Matthew Shepard & James Byrd Hate Crimes Prevention Act continues...

Our old fundie friend, Pastor Gary Cass of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission (yeah, that's clue number one about his point of view), is back at his gay hating ways. But this time he's taking it to a whole new level. Cass and crew are headed to DC on November 16th to protest the Hate Crimes Act in front of the Department of Justice. Their tactic?

They'll be calling for violence against LGBT people to try and get arrested so they can "prove" the Hate Crimes Act infringes on their God given right to beat up fags:

The "Rally for Religious Freedom" in front of the Department of Justice in Washington is intended to force Attorney General Eric Holder either to address the issues or be put in a position of ignoring those who say they are violating the provisions of the federal law, Cass said. "We're basically going to defy the law, and challenge it," Cass told WND. "We're going to declare the whole counsel of God, including those parts that some may consider 'inciting a hate crime' to see if the attorney general is going to come down and arrest a group of peaceful clergy exercising their First Amendment rights.

http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/13994/wwjd-incite-hate-crimes-against-lgbt-people-according-to-this-pastor
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:25 PM
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1. Just to get it out of the way,
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 07:25 PM by laconicsax
-He's not a true Scotsman Christian.
-This has nothing to do with religion
-His 'church' isn't a real Church.
-Sigh...another broad brush attack on Christians.
-At least he's not as bad as Hitler/Stalin/Pol Pot.
-You just want to ban religion.
-He obviously never read the Bible, or else he'd know that Jesus was pro-LGBT equality.
-You can't prove he isn't secretly an atheist.
-Clearly, he's mentally ill.
-This is a Catholic conspiracy.
-This is an anti-Catholic conspiracy.
-Stop disrespecting my beliefs...they’re personal!!!

On edit: Oh, and K&R
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:44 PM
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3. I disagree: "This has nothing to do with religion"
This has EVERYTHING to do with religion

As well as many other factors

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Look at it this way: He isn't a die hard Hockey Player. That's because there is no element to hockey in itself that promotes violence towards Homosexuals.

His religion, however - BIG case to be made for that.

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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 11:47 AM
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11. I merely listed common responses to this type of thread.
Incorrect as they may be.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:16 PM
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7. so what's your take on it? you seem to know everything it's not. that's no help at all.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 12:02 PM
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12. Well, let's see...
In another thread, you (and others) quickly claimed the first item in the list, and a few others have already claimed a variation of the seventh. Given another day, the second, third, fourth, ninth (possibly as an addendum to the second), and last statements will likely show up.

I've noticed that most threads like this inevitably elicits most, if not all of those responses (the exception being the conspiracy lines, which are admittedly rare). I felt that if I post them all at once, the discussion can be free to take a different route than liberal Christians disowning conservative Christians and non-Christians pointing out the flaw in that.

I happen to think that those involved have just as much a claim to the 'true' or 'real' Christian label as a Christian who vehemently disagrees with them--religious adherence is established through self-identification. Similarly, their church is just as much a church as a progressive church that promotes tolerance. It clearly has to do with religion, isn't a broad-brush attack on Christians, and probably not a Vatican conspiracy or an anti-Catholic conspiracy.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:10 PM
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13. I think you covered it.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:40 PM
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2. Wingnut pastors no more represent Christianity than does the Ft. Hood shooter represents Islam.
And the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob would disown them all.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:57 PM
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5. He certainly represents a large portion of Christianity.
He, and people like him, have a majority of Christian voter support as we have seen in recent elections. :(

What is your evidence that YOU represent Christianity if you immunize Christianity by constantly saying that all the vicious Christians somehow aren't really Christians? Not only is that a logical fallacy, showing very shoddy thinking, as the first post pointed out, but Both of you claim to be Christians. He has a church behind him, is actively quoting the bible, and has congregations supporting him. He seems to have more Christian credentials than you do.

As for God validating anyone as a true Christian, when it actually happens then you can let us all know about it.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:13 PM
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6. Can you prove he represents a majority of Christian voters?
You can't, can you?

I never claim to represent anyone. I am saying that you cannot hold up the worst examples of Christianity or any other group and claim they represent that group as a whole.

I am guessing (at least I admit it) that there are thousands of DUers who would also call themselves Christians who are not part of the wingnut right evangelicals. They are not responsible for what that group does either.

Fortunately I will no longer be able to read anymore of your posts. For me, life is too short to deal with people like you. I hope you clearly understand what I am telling you to do? (Oh my, how very unChristian of me, except I have never claimed to be a Christian.)

:bounce: :hi: :bounce:
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 01:12 PM
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14. The god of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob was
always gung-ho in favor of ethnic cleansing and terrible punishments of those who transgressed his rules, even the most bizarre and insane of those rules.
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wtbymark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 07:48 PM
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4. Sir...Mr. Pastor......ummm...
the moment your speech is considered to be inciting violence, you've ceased using you 1st amendment rights.
do not pass go, and you don't need that 200bucks.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:17 PM
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8. Well don't you know?
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 08:18 PM by NMMNG
We're persecuting them by creating laws that say they'll suffer stiffer penalties if they beat or kill one of us just because we have Teh Gay. How dare we put the law of man above the Law of God! It's a noose around their very necks! We might as well be putting them in death camps.



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mrbarber Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 08:27 PM
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9. HAHAHAHAHAH
Oh man, this is going to be freaking hilarious.

"We broke the law and your arresting us? Waaahhh persecution waaaah"

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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 09:00 PM
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10. Bring on the lions and give these bible-thumping motherfuckers some real persecution
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