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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:33 PM Original message |
I do not support this bill |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
1. Let me add my non-endorsement |
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BlueDemKev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
70. The bill is not perfect, however.... |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. "Not perfect" is way too charitable. This bill (and so called "public option") is a fucking JOKE. |
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BlueDemKev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #71 |
126. Listen to me & Listen CAREFULLY.... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #126 |
135. I think the five year prison sentence |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #126 |
136. With a Presidential electoral landslide last year and a supposed majority in both houses |
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BlueDemKev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #136 |
144. Be Pragmatic in Your Goals. |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #144 |
157. pragmatism isn't forcing people into private healthcare |
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BlueDemKev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #157 |
161. If requiring people to carry insurance is wrong.... |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:12 AM Response to Reply #161 |
180. wow.... |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #161 |
232. Do me a favor... |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:51 AM Response to Reply #144 |
198. excellent analysis and historical perspective BDK- i've been arguing these point for weeks |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #136 |
170. Thank you, Sebastian Doyle. You speak for me on this. |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #136 |
177. +1 |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #126 |
147. The politicians are playing games... |
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Altoid_Cyclist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 06:27 AM Response to Reply #147 |
207. Wow, what a negative attitude. 100% accurate though. |
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Myrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 07:09 AM Response to Reply #147 |
211. +10 |
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phasma ex machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #147 |
229. +1 nt |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #126 |
148. This bill has political risk. It won't solve the deeper problems and it may come back to bite |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #126 |
155. I disagree. |
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BlueDemKev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 11:43 PM Response to Reply #155 |
167. That's what we said back in the Summer of '94.... |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:47 AM Response to Reply #167 |
201. Ever hear of NAFTA? Clinton pushed it down our throats, minority of Dems supported it. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #167 |
238. I don't recall that being said in '94. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #126 |
162. only becuase they want Obama to have "failed". no other reason. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 11:10 PM Response to Reply #126 |
163. The reason the pukes are 100% against it is they want democrats |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:24 AM Response to Reply #163 |
189. There is another reason the pukes are 100% against it. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:54 AM Response to Reply #189 |
193. Good point and exactly and that is just what will |
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Fading Captain (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:32 AM Response to Reply #126 |
195. We were GONE the minute we entertained supporting this weak-ass, bullshit corporate giveaway |
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pundaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 07:07 AM Response to Reply #126 |
209. I read carefully and I say |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #126 |
230. Frankly... |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #126 |
231. Pardon me if I don't cry a river for them. |
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SandWalker1984 (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 12:50 AM Response to Reply #70 |
173. What good is pre-existing condition protection if they raise your premiums so high you can't pay? |
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man4allcats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
233. I suspect you are right on this. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
2. If you can't afford it, you won't have to buy it. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Define afford it |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. NOt my job. However there are precedents -- people who qualify for assistance (help with rent, food |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:08 AM Response to Reply #12 |
176. The Government's definition of poverty rate is a fucking joke. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
199. Not your job? But it is your job to tell us to support this? |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #12 |
218. Well, evidently you never had to "qualify for assistance"........... |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 12:49 AM Response to Reply #3 |
172. I agree. It's impossible to determine what's "affordable." It depends |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. And the OP is right there on the Insurance Company bandwagon. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I'm against this particular bill |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I'm sorry |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Grayson and Weiner are behind this bill and will be voting for it. Just because it isnt perfect |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
234. This bill is worse than the status quo. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I do more work for the democratic party than most on this board |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Are you going to tell your candidate that you don't support Democratic principles? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I've already had this conversation |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. How am I working for the GOP |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Big tent means that there are perfectly good democrats that insist on single payer only. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. No the Big Tent is only for Pro-Life, Pro-Wall Street Democrats, Pro-War Democrats |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Well that seems positively fascist! |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. True, but ATJ isn't one of them. The bill is being voted on today. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #62 |
81. "Fighting against the bill" |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #62 |
212. Your statements are a perfect example as to why |
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Scarsdale Vibe (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #52 |
68. There aren't perfectly good Democrats that insist only on single-payer. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Sorry. You lose. We allowed supporters of wars that have killed millions into the party for the... |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #69 |
98. It's actually the other way around |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
235. Gladly... |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. You always say that |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Cornered? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #56 |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #61 |
78. Ok back |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #56 |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
101. This bill doesn't make it affordable! |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
73. It's a piece of shit bill |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
46. You're foolish if you believe insurance companies don't want mandated & subsidized reform |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
72. Anybody notice that the Cheerleader takeover of GD has begun? |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. It's impossible not to notice |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #72 |
80. Really isn't a take over |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Yeah that was evident eariler in the week |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Meh |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #80 |
151. There are a lot of cheerleaders adding accounts and trying to shift discussion on DU in recent month |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #5 |
219. You again? Take a couple more hits off the pipe and we'll see ya later. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. See my post 12 above |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. actually they are pretty onerous |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. and yet people still receive assistance if they need it. n/t |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Some of the time nt |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
138. Right. That's why thousands of people are living in their cars and tents right now. eom |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:45 PM Original message |
The only part of this bill the Insurance Companies don't like |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
109. $5,000 per year would send me and many others right into Chapter 7. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 10:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
158. The Federal guidlines defining "afford it" are a joke - and least many of us screwed. |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
4. steaming pile that does nothing to address the structural problems of health care. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
24. tell that to someone with a pre-existing condition or somebody who has had insurance cut off because |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
92. I'll answer your question... |
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theFrankFactor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #92 |
226. Exactly!!!!!! But This is Like Rocket Science to the Party of Lowered Expectations |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
6. then you support doing nothing, that exactly what will happen if this is voted down. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
121. If the choice is between a step backwards and no step at all... |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
182. I support withdrawing this shit and coming back next year. |
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Fading Captain (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:34 AM Response to Reply #6 |
196. Use your head |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
8. Aye, the bill sucks blue whale |
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cry baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
9. it's certainly your right to oppose this dem bill. nt |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
10. France has a mandate and the premiums are deducted from people's pay checks. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. You are honestly comparing this bill to the French system |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
40. No, no mandate in france. It is a single payer where healthcare is financed by payroll taxes and |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
139. It's also non-profit. eom |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #139 |
142. Nope. There are for profit providers as well as for-profit insurance in France. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #142 |
166. For profit insurers do not cover basic health they offer supplementals |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
15. k/r |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
16. Hmmmm, it's called compromise in conference committee |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. interesting point n/t |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
36. The Senate is more pro-mandates than the House |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #16 |
75. that is a bet I will gladly take |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
18. It's designed to fail. The GOP will be running on this for years |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 10:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
153. That has been my point. At the least we should "repackage" and re-brand. This could set us up |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
21. Agreed. I hope mandates will be found unconstitutional. |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
26. I also cannot support this bill. Too many compromises. I know |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. The Insurance companies hate it. So there must be something good in it. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Hint: Any attempt to reform the system will be met with heavy resistance by the PTB |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #30 |
53. There is in fact some good in the bill - no preexisting condition |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #30 |
154. That's a lie. They are not fighting hard right now and where they are it is |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
29. So you clearly prefer the status quo to the bill? |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Allentown jake prefers the GOP plan. No healthcare reform for anyone, ever.. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Yes because this bill is going to stop insurance premiums from flowing |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I'm not the one supporting the insurance industry. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. I'm not supporting the Insurance Industry either |
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C_Lawyer09 (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
111. In Fairness |
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akwapez (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
33. I agree, the mandate has to go |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
35. Of course you don't |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Again |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. You speak of broad brush when |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Yes because I object to insurance mandates |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Do you know what the STUPAK bill is? |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Obviously not. n/t |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Sorry don't follow the minutia of every thing going on |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. As you've rightly admited |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
64. I second that motion -nt |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
65. You are 100% wrong on the mandates. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #65 |
86. Dude, you don't need to explain how insurance works to us. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. +10,000 |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #86 |
96. that's right! |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #86 |
143. Nail on the Head! |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #86 |
164. +1,000,000 n/t |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #86 |
217. Thank you. nt |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #86 |
222. and kicking. nt |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #86 |
236. Totally! |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
66. You're not for further burdening a crushed working class? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #66 |
88. +10000000 |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #66 |
237. +100000000000000 |
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Nite Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
74. Not only is this bill |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
77. I don't support it either. The dems sold us out |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. Really Debbie!? |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #84 |
156. HughMoran, you are Stalking Debbie across boards.. cut it out! |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:07 AM Response to Reply #84 |
175. self-delete |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
79. This bill is a DLC wet dream, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
82. Deleted message |
AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. LOL |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Well, it's more of a long-time pattern that we get used to |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. I actually spend 95% of my post bitching about |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Yeah, I know |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. You are one of the good posters on here |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. My fault - I conflated you with a couple of other posters from earlier today |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. I don't think the provision I don't like is going to survive |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Jail is a ridiculous outcome for not carrying insurance |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. I see it as a fresh coat of paint over a rotting wall |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. I hope you're being overly pessimistic |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. But "everybody" isn't buying into it if undocumented immigrants aren't covered. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Blame the fuckpublicans and Blue Meanie Democrats for that |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. And at the end of the day it means that everyone is not covered. eom |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Clearly that's not technically possible at this time |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #107 |
117. So you're admitting that EVERYONE doesn't have to be covered. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. I wasn't being literal when I previously used the word "everybody" |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. Either everybody means everybody or it doesn't. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Never mind |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #123 |
127. Um, I thought that's why DU was here. eom |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #104 |
114. Undocumented immigrants aren't covered anywhere. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. So I guess you're admitting that EVERYONE doesn't have to be covered for a health plan to work. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. No, you need to deal with reality. America is behind every other industrialized country and |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #118 |
124. And again, you're acknowledging that EVERYONE doesn't need to be in the plan. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #124 |
130. Again, you're ignoring reality. n/t |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:22 AM Response to Reply #118 |
188. you are the one ignoring reality - see my response above |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:18 AM Response to Reply #114 |
185. The UK for one - probably many others |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
93. I'm Just Chiming In To Support You AllentownJake... n/t |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
108. Wow the martyred moderates are out in force today |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
110. It figures, more nonsensical crap |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. There you are |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
113. Then you and Michelle Bachman and Virginia Foxx can meet together to plot strategy |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. Dick Cheney and Barack Obama want more troops in Afganistan |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
120. I agree-- dems have pulled a classic bait and switch.... |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
125. while I agree with you that the bill is a piece of crap, |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #125 |
131. I'm not voting today |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
128. It has Obama's support |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. It has his support but it wasn't the best they could have done. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #129 |
133. This is the new framework for medicare..no doubt in my mind.. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #133 |
141. It's a shift in philosophy towards the North American Union |
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ChimpersMcSmirkers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
132. I can't wait until this passes so that I can watch the all or nothing crowd and the |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. I'll shrug my shoulders and eat a brownie |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #132 |
159. I guess for some of us it is not a spectator sport. |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
137. K&R. I agree completely. |
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Gravel Democrat (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
140. When asked by a little known news org where the constitution... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #140 |
145. "a little known news org" CNS News? |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
146. Now, the Repubs can say--See! Healthcare reform is EVIL!! |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
149. "Fining or jailing working Americans is not the answer to the Health Insurance issue." |
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Grassy Knoll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
150. WOW I have never seen so many deletes , " MY POINT" no "MY POINT " HA |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
152. Hear, hear. n/t |
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nc4bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
160. If I could express how I really feel inside, I'd be put in prison. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #160 |
165. And now it has passed and we're going to have to watch Pelosi and the other |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
168. I'd like to avoid a tombstone this evening, so I'll just say K&R. |
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waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
169. K&R |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
171. Thank you, Jake. I agree wholeheartedly. |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
174. K&R! n/t |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:09 AM Response to Original message |
178. They why don't you go to Free Republic and discuss it there |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:11 AM Response to Reply #178 |
179. Sure and I'm sure you'd find plenty looking for escalation on the war in Afghanistan there |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:14 AM Response to Reply #179 |
181. You cannot escape the fact that you now agree with your enemy |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:18 AM Response to Reply #181 |
183. You are with us or against us |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:20 AM Response to Reply #183 |
187. Now you are posting Bush propaganda? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:26 AM Response to Reply #187 |
191. No I'm comparing your statement |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #181 |
214. You don't understand |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #178 |
220. Why don't you take a trip over to K-Street, and party it up in celebration over there? |
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TheWebHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
184. absolutely correct |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:20 AM Response to Reply #184 |
186. That is funny |
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rtassi (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
190. Agreed! with a rec n/t |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:51 AM Response to Original message |
192. Preach brother! |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
194. Thanks, ATJ |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:35 AM Response to Original message |
197. Word. Yet people here on DU can't see the major ripoff and massive giveaway this shitty "reform" is! |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:00 AM Response to Original message |
200. all the nay sayers will be the ones signing up - including Repubs |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 04:00 AM Response to Original message |
202. "it should fail." It passed with the support of these people |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 04:35 AM Response to Original message |
203. Did we not essentialy get the Dole bill of 1993...? |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 04:50 AM Response to Original message |
204. K&R |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 05:03 AM Response to Original message |
205. I agree... |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 06:13 AM Response to Original message |
206. I do not support it, either, for |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
208. I totally agree - this shit "reform" will destroy me financially |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
210. K & R. It was bad enough before the atrocious abortion amendment |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
213. "Fining or jailing working Americans is not the answer to the Health Insurance issue" |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
215. I have a serious problem with this mandate. People try to compare it to car insurance. The fact of |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
216. This bill is a sham. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
221. We know. n/t |
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theFrankFactor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
223. A Piece of Shit Delivered By Industy Owner Opeators of Dem Congressional Heads |
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theFrankFactor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
224. Agreed and I Support You AJ |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
225. The fed. will subsidize payments for the health ins. But yes, all Americans need |
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emald (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
227. This bill sounds good, |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
228. Democrats continue to slit their own throats... |
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