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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:35 AM
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Will Kucinich give up his insurance until single payer is passed?
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 10:36 AM by BzaDem
If he is going to make the uninsured wait for relief until single payer is passed, then he should wait with them.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:39 AM
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1. Here we go again with another slur against Kucinch. I ask you to tell us why you
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 10:40 AM by peacetalksforall
think he didn't acot out of principle as you infer in the slur.

Did his vote cause the bill to fail?

Any slurs for Blue Dogs?
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:40 AM
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3. Wouldn't the principled thing to do be going uninsured until single payer is passed?
He wants the uninsured to wait until single payer is passed. Why shouldn't he also wait? What makes him special?
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:45 AM
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9. Do you want hungry people fed?
How about going on a hunger strike until it happens? What, don't you care about starving people enough to do it?
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:46 AM
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10. DK didn't VOTE AGAINST a bill that would feed people.
So that is a pretty stupid analogy.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:46 AM
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12. He didn't stop it from being passed either.
So the analogy is only as stupid as the original criticism, which frankly makes no sense.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:53 AM
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14. Nice try. He actually said he would have single handedly stopped it if it came to that.
"Would you have changed your vote if yours was the deciding tally?

"No," said Kucinich. He then added cryptically: "I could've been, but that would've been up to the White House." Kucinich is pushing for inclusion of an amendment that would allow individual states to implement single-payer health care without being sued by insurance companies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/08/health-care-passes-the-sc_n_349783.html&cp
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:56 AM
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15. Nice try what? What did I say that was wrong? Did he stop it from being passed
or not? I said nothing about 'if it came to that' or any of the other imaginary things you're arguing with yourself about.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:59 AM
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16. I guess you are calling him a liar. He explicitly said he would have killed it if he could.
That's what voting "no" if you are the deciding vote means.

Either what he said is true (indicating he would kill it, not withstanding your bullshit about this somehow being a different argument), or what he said is false (indicating he is a liar).
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 11:28 AM
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21. Nothing but a huge, hurt ego. Play with me or else. And of course no one takes him
seriously, except for a bunch of DUers.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:40 AM
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2. Bet the answer is No~
Dennis is one of my favorites but I can't go along with him on this one.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:41 AM
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4. Only Obama's feet get held to the fire...
never stDennis.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:41 AM
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5. I'm sure he would if it meant single payer would be passed.
Now, let's ask your Milquetoast Corporate Whore Democrats. Would they be willing to trade THEIR insurance for this piece of shit Health Care "Reform" version?
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:45 AM
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8. But if single payer can't pass, shouldn't he vote for HCR to help the millions of uninsured?
Either he is voting against this to get something better (in which case he should wait until he gets something better enacted), or he is voting against this to prevent the uninsured from getting insured.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:46 AM
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11. I'm still waiting for you to answer my question.
I answered yours.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:48 AM
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13. The exchange in the House bill is a mirror of the FEHBP
(the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program). Both provide a menu of private choices that people can pick from. So yes. They not only would -- they voted on it.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 11:05 AM
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18. You know what?
I believe that you truly believe that.

Peace.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 11:16 AM
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19. Typical. n/t
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 11:31 AM
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22. This "piece of shit" can still save lots of lives. But what's lives to
such principled people as you and holier-than-thou Kucinich...
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:42 AM
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6. will the repubs give up theirs to keep it from passing?
i think that's fair. they can buy their insurance on the "open market" like they want us to. after all, they are on a public option right now. why do they hate America?
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:43 AM
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7. I'm not expecting Republicans to be principled. I would expect DK to be better than a Republican.
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FarPoint Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 11:03 AM
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17. Terrific idea........
All of Congress should do this; bring it into reality!
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 11:25 AM
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20. Start a petition I'll sign.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 11:36 AM
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23. no more than Obama will give up his nt
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 11:38 AM
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24. Obama supports HR 3692, unlike Kucinich
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 11:38 AM
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25. this is like the right wing talking point on alternative energy--anyone who drives a gasoline
vehicle is a hypocrite, just as Al Gore is a hypocrite for having a big house.
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