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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:44 PM
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Nate Silver (fivethirtyeight) on pro-choice Dems voting for Stupak

When I first learned that the Stupak Amendment, which would prevent abortion from being covered under health care plans included in the health care insurance exchanges, had passed by a 240-194 margin in the House, I assumed that something like the following happened: anybody who was either pro-life or who disapproved of the health care bill in general had voted for it.

Certainly, that description is apt for the half-dozen or so generally pro-choice Republicans, all of whom voted both for the Stupak Amendement and against the health care bill. But it doesn't really hold for the Democrats.

Rather, I was surprised at the number of Democrats who have solid pro-choice voting records but who nevertheless voted for Stupak Amendment. And the vast majority of these Democrats voted for, not against, passage of the underlying health care bill.

The below chart lists the 'yea' votes on Stupak among those representatives who had a rating of 67 in 2007-08 according to Planned Parenthood, and a rating of 33 or lower according to the National Right to Life Committee. (Note: no freshmen representatives are listed on this chart as they have not been rated yet.)




More at link: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/11/many-previously-pro-choice-dems-voted.html
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:50 PM
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1. These are complete sellouts and political opportunists.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:14 PM
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8. Rachel says that stupak and the others, eight of them, are from
C Street.
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:50 PM
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2.  Stupak is the saddest moment for dems
since reconstruction
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:53 PM
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3. Ahh, DU, where a sense of perspective goes to be brutally murdered. nt
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:58 PM
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5. really
a half assed bill and Stupak. Thats all right with you?
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:15 PM
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9. The saddest moment for the Dems since Reconstruction?
Do you stand by that statement? Not defeating Stupak was worse than, say, the Iraq War, Johnson in Vietnam, Japanese internment?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:32 PM
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10. It is a Civil Rights issue. It stipulates that women are not equal to men.
Men's reproductive care is non exclusive but women do not have the right to such coverage. They will however be suject to the same mandates.
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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:59 PM
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11. I'll give ya Iraq
that was another terrible moment for Dems. But to allow religious forces who can't make their argument in the public forum to use law to dictate to the rest of us - that is a low I never expected from my party.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:54 PM
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4. The Stupak Amendment was voted on by those Dems to keep the abortion fights away from this bill.(nt)
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:06 PM
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6. By caving in to the anti's?
:eyes:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:09 PM
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7. Has anybody here ever played Bridge? Deliberately lose a trick to promote a card, y'know?
If the bill doesn't fly in the Senate, Stupak is harmless; if it flies, I'd bet Stupak drops out before final passage
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