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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:21 PM
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Ever wonder why there’s always money for war and never money for health care?


Here’s the then-CEO of pharmaceutical giant G.D. Searle & Co.,
sent calling on behalf of the President of the United States Ronald Reagan,
introducing himself to the then-living and then-dictator of Iraq Saddam Hussein.

So remember, to our nation's corporate masters…

Big Pharma: Good.
Big War: Good.
Big Business making money off drugs and war: Double-Plus Good.

Thus, like the subject of taxing the rich,
there is no room in pull-yourself-up-by-your-own-bootstraps America
for Universal Health Care and the rest of the
liberal-Democrat-social security socialist-communist agenda.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:22 PM
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1. Mr. Kucinich said exactly that last week on the floor of the House
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ProleNoMore Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:25 PM
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4. Democracy Now Show From Monday On Why Dennis Voted No
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:13 PM
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15. Kucinich has always worked in the interest of We the People.
Thanks for the heads-up, bigtree.

DK wants single-payer because it makes the most sense, economically and, most importantly, in terms of getting the highest quality of care for ALL Americans.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:30 AM
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24. And it's the #1 story on Commondreams.org
http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2009/11/06-3

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
November 6, 2009
10:41 AM


CONTACT: Congressman Dennis Kucinich

Nathan White (202)225-5871
Kucinich: Why Is It We Have Finite Resources for Health Care but Unlimited Money for War?

WASHINGTON - November 6 - Following a statement on the Floor of the House of Representative, Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) today made the following statement:

"Why is it we have finite resources for health care but unlimited money for war?

"The inequities in our economy are piling up: trillions for war, trillions for Wall Street and tens of billions for the insurance companies. Banks and other corporations are sitting on piles of cash of taxpayer's money while firing workers, cutting pay and denying small businesses money to survive.

"People are losing their homes, their jobs, their health, their investments, their retirement security; yet there is unlimited money for war, Wall Street and insurance companies, but very little money for jobs on Main Street.

"Unlimited money to blow up things in Iraq and Afghanistan, and relatively little money to build things in the US.

"The Administration may soon bring to Congress a request for an additional $50 billion for war. I can tell you that a Democratic version of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is no more acceptable than a Republican version of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Trillions for war and Wall Street, billions for insurance companies... When we were promised change, we weren't thinking that we give a dollar and get back two cents."
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:23 PM
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2. The Wash Post ed page, of all things, asked this same question. nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 03:29 PM
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16. Thanks, Captain Hilts...
...I searched WaPo, but I couldn't find it.
If you get a minute, could you help me find the article?

Thanks, Mookie!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:23 PM
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3. JUST consider the good that putting that 700 billion slotted for FY 2010 and used it for
Vocational training on energy jobs or EDUCATION / Re-Education programs in general.

We'd be back on track as a 1st World Country instead of a dying Predatory Capitalistic Beastie.
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Louisiana1976 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:34 PM
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10. Well said! Think of everything it could be used for at home.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 03:33 PM
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17. Chump change to the Masters of the Universe. Try $24 Trillion, which is what we're on the hook for.
That's according to the TARP overseer, Neil M. Barofsky. From NYT:

Just how much could the bailout of the financial system end up costing American taxpayers?

You are correct, though, ShortnFiery. Just the $700 billion could change the world and everybody in it -- for the better.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:27 PM
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5. War subjugates rebellious provinces of the American Empire,
so that we can move into their markets and sell our stuff to them, process and export their natural resources and make money.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:32 PM
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7. Aye.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 03:41 PM
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19. Wasn't always like that...
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 04:39 PM by Octafish
Dodd and Dulles vs. Kennedy in Africa

Of course, it all changed after Nov. 22, 1963.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:30 PM
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6. That's how I started getting interested in the health care issue during the Vietnam War.
It seemed like there were always fund raisers and collections going on to help some person, who had fallen ill, but didn't have insurance or the money to pay their medical bills. Sure the vets were getting health care at the VA or through CHAMPUS, the seniors were getting Medicare and the poor were getting Medicaid. But there were many of us with no health care and disproportionately more women than men as they had not been in the military and who were uninsured because employers felt women didn't have to be covered with the same benefits as men. It was assumed their husbands would look after those things. I started questioning why, and the stock answer was that the nation couldn't afford it, yet it seems like they could afford an endless war for nothing, just because they were afraid of communists.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:06 PM
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20. Divorce, Medicaid Style
Couples, also, have had to get divorced to qualify for Medicaid.
I've heard how people have had to go 'broke' in order to get coverage.

LTC Bullet: Divorce, Medicaid Style

In the richest country on earth, the inhumane monetary restrictions on health care should be called what it is:
It is not a shame. It is a crime.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:32 PM
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8. Even bailing out the economy was going to put our grandchildren in
debt according to the right wing, which was so willing to put their grandchildren in debt for the wars.

The US deficits go up during wars. None of the social programs cause that. Just wars. Yet the repukes have the nerve to complain about the deficit on such things.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:12 PM
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21. ''Money trumps peace.'' -- George Walker Bush, Feb. 14, 2007
The warmonger class benefits at least thrice from war: First, the spending, a large fraction of which they receive because their class owns the large defense contractors. Second, the de-population, which helps keep the planet chugging along. Third, political control, which preserves their positions of priviledge.

Did you see this chestnut?:

Know your BFEE: Money Trumps Peace. Always.

Not that I necessarily agree with it, but I can understand the popular support for capital punishment.
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NoUsername Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:04 AM
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23. "Money trumps peace."
Bush thought so. Apparently Obama agrees.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 10:19 AM
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26. Apparently he does.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:33 PM
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9. I disagree with Pres. Obama on the wars... maybe he chose the wrong VP/SOS
They're both so caught up in the old fights and he needs a fresh person to put things in perspective. It's simply not worth it to continue the wars. Let it go!
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 03:33 PM
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18. Actually, on Obama's campaign website, he said he wanted to escalate the war in Afghanistan.
He also said he wanted to do something about Pakistan. He's never hidden his hawkish agenda.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:15 PM
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30. Exactly, krabigirl. I remember him saying he wanted to pull troops out of Iraq and send MORE
into Afghanistan. I didn't like that one it, but I liked McCain's threats to invade Iran even less.

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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:35 PM
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11. Never money for health care? What about medicare and medicaid?
They don't get any money?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:04 PM
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29. Good point. My point was the warmongers always get the gold. The rest of us get the shaft.
Study: 86.7 million Americans uninsured over last two years

Medicare and Medicaid don't do diddly for most of the millions of uninsured Americans who our nation can afford to cover, were it not for those in government who answer to the monied interests -- what I term the "War Party," largely pukes and their Blue Dog Democrat allies.
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ProleNoMore Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:38 PM
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12. Different Frame - War Always Equals Profit For War Company Shareholders
The current legal framework for insurance companies equals profit for insurance company shareholders.

Powerful interests demand profit.

We are merely chattel from which to extract the profit.

So yes their will always be money for making more profit.

How did HC get so bad - see this clip from MM's Sicko:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QkgUkM0o6Q

Quote - All the incentives are for less medical care!
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:42 PM
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13. we live in short-term-memory-states of america.
you could point this out every day until the sun eventually goes supernova, and it still won't sink in for a lot of people.

K&R


i don't think anyone wonders why there's never money. i'm sure a lot of folks wonder why no one has ever been able to put a stop to the ridiculous cycle of war-profiteering, though.

it's right there in the open for all to see, yet we continue to have a popluation of ostriches.





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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:20 PM
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32. I too USED to wonder why no one has ever been able to put a stop to the ridiculous cycle
Edited on Wed Nov-11-09 12:22 PM by bertman
of war-profiteering. And then one day I figured it out.

Those who point this out and try to DO SOMETHING TO STOP IT usually get killed or die untimely deaths or just disappear.

The War Profiteers have now expanded their product lines into the domestic police realm. Thus they continue to bleed us dry even as they rob us blind.

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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 02:57 PM
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35. agreed. whistleblowers have a habit of getting suicided.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:45 PM
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14. Cost of War Tradeoffs: 269,705,508 People with Health Care
for one year. Even if we were only about the completely uninsured or severly underinsured, extrapolate that to the number of years they could have had care, or been able to keep their homes vs forced medical bankruptcy.

Taxpayers in the United States will pay $17.7 billion for proposed nuclear weapons in FY2010. For the same amount of money, the following could have been provided: 5,208,137 People with Health Care for One Year

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/tradeoffs?location_type=1&state=888&program=275&tradeoff_item_item=286&submit_tradeoffs=Get+Trade+Off


Taxpayers in the United States will pay $915.1 billion for total Iraq and Afghanistan war spending since 2001. For the same amount of money, the following could have been provided:
269,705,508 People with Health Care for One Year

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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:59 PM
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22. War=pro-death. Denial of Health Care=pro-death. People are expendable apparently.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 10:16 AM
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25. kicking
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 10:20 AM
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27. Oh yeah. I have wondered! K & R!
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W_HAMILTON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 10:25 AM
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28. HELL YES.
It's bullshit that we can find money to nation build overseas, but then people complain that we don't have enough money to take care of our own citizens.

If we can't afford healthcare, immediately pull out of all foreign wars and use that money to take care of OUR goddamn citizens.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:24 PM
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33. but taking care of "our own citizens" would involve giving help to the worthless serfs who
do the drudge work. That's not on the agenda for the money, investor classes.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:17 PM
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31. K & R
:kick:
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:25 PM
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34. You nailed it again, Octafish. Recommend.
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